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The Self Esteem Myth
Townhall ^ | August 9, 2007 | Ashley Herzog

Posted on 08/13/2007 5:02:18 AM PDT by Caleb1411

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To: Lil'freeper
"What we really need are books on how to deal with these kids now that they’re becoming established in the workplace."

Exactly.

41 posted on 08/13/2007 6:27:18 AM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: Lil'freeper
The experts are behind the curve on this one. What we really need are books on how to deal with these kids now that they’re becoming established in the workplace.

There is. Our personell department had one, called "Lawful Dismissal Guidelines".

42 posted on 08/13/2007 6:29:06 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Food imported from China = Cesspool + Flavr-Straw™)
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To: Caleb1411
Of course, children have no motivation to work harder when their schools outlaw competition and celebrate mediocrity.

Academic socialism, preparing them for more mediocrity later, if certain marxists have their way.

43 posted on 08/13/2007 6:32:56 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Caleb1411

Bump for later


44 posted on 08/13/2007 6:33:52 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: MarDav

Probably not long after you graduated then, because they were doing it when I was in high school from 83-86.


45 posted on 08/13/2007 6:34:31 AM PDT by agrace
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To: randita
America Idol highlights not on the very talented, but the very untalented, esp. if they display a distinctive quirkiness. Many are hoping to get their 15 mins. of fame from just plain being weird and many succeed.

It's a blatant rip-off of "The Gong Show." And The Gong Show was much more entertaining to watch.

46 posted on 08/13/2007 6:35:42 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: MarDav

“Kids can now come out of school with a GPA higher than 4.0 because of weighting of Honors and AP classes. I attended a high school graduation last year and the valedictorian had a GPA of something like 5.65. I’m not sure when this bloating of GPA’s took place, but I don’t recall it when I was graduating in ‘75.”

The sad part is when such students get to college, and get shelled in their classes. I’m not saying it will happen in the case you cite, but I will assert that many, many “honor” students, especially in urban schools, find that they cannot function in big-time colleges when they get there. At that point,they blame racism, or sexism, or some “ism”.


47 posted on 08/13/2007 6:36:47 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: MarkL

My dad taught a few weeks last spring at the school where out kids go, his word for the kids, superficial.

In order to truely esteem one’s self one must first have a self.

That is the problem with many of today’s youth, there is nothing under the veneer.


48 posted on 08/13/2007 6:38:36 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Caleb1411
What's worse, we've known this for a LONG time. In an article titled "Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty," in the Psychological Review back in 1996,Roy Baumeister wrote about how they studied what happens when individuals are too optimistic about themselves. They examined self-esteem in serial killers, hit men, gang leaders, violent criminals, spouse abusers, and bullies. They thought they would find that people "drifted" into these behaviors because of low self-esteem--but the opposite was found. The low-lifes they studied had enormously high self-esteem, creating a sense of grandiosity, supremacy, invulnerability, and the belief that they should not be corrected. They concluded: Perpetrators of violence are typically people who think very highly of themselves. In the United States the push to raise everyone's self-esteem seems ill-advised.

This was known over a decade ago, and probably before that. I haven't read this particular book, but it seems to elaborate on the article I mention here.

49 posted on 08/13/2007 6:40:47 AM PDT by MizSterious (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Maybe YOU are the one confusing the terms. There’s been a lot of research on this, and the author is right. For one tiny piece of it, see #49.


50 posted on 08/13/2007 6:43:14 AM PDT by MizSterious (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: The_Reader_David

How interesting! I’ve observed in some discussions with Anglicans in recent months that the Anglican Communion (at least those parts that still believe in God) seems to be moving toward an ecclesial understanding rather like that of Orthodoxy.


51 posted on 08/13/2007 6:45:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Norway delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: MarDav

My first daughter had an ACT 10 points higher than one of the “co” valedictorians.

High School GPA is just about meaningless these days.


52 posted on 08/13/2007 6:45:48 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: TWohlford

If I’m not mistaken, that 5.65 GPA valedictorian will have to take English and math remediation courses at the college level as a precursor to taking any actual college courses. She may do well, she may struggle. But the fact is, she will be shelling out money for something that, years ago, was put in place at the high school level: true proficiency in math, reading and writing. I think they used to call it the 3 R’s.


53 posted on 08/13/2007 6:48:17 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: Caleb1411

bump


54 posted on 08/13/2007 6:50:11 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Caleb1411
Look into the radical roots of modern pedagogy:

Paulo Freire

Excerpt:

Theoretical Contributions

Paulo Freire contributed a philosophy of education that came not only from the more classical approaches stemming from Plato, but also from modern Marxist and anti-colonialist thinkers. In fact, in many ways his Pedagogy of the Oppressed may be best read as an extension of, or reply to, Frantz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth, which emphasized the need to provide native populations with an education which was simultaneously new and modern (rather than traditional) and anti-colonial (not simply an extension of the culture of the colonizer).

Freire is best-known for his attack on what he called the "banking" concept of education, in which the student was viewed as an empty account to be filled by the teacher. Of course, this is not really new — Rousseau's conception of the child as an active learner was already a step away from tabula rasa (which is basically the same as the "banking concept"), and thinkers like John Dewey and Alfred North Whitehead were strongly critical of the transmission of mere "facts" as the goal of education. Freire's work is one of the foundations of critical pedagogy.

More challenging is Freire's strong aversion to the teacher-student dichotomy. This dichotomy is admitted in Rousseau and constrained in Dewey, but Freire comes close to insisting that it should be completely abolished. This is hard to imagine in absolute terms, since there must be some enactment of the teacher-student relationship in the parent-child relationship, but what Freire suggests is that a deep reciprocity be inserted into our notions of teacher and student. Freire wants us to think in terms of teacher-student and student-teacher; that is, a teacher who learns and a learner who teaches, as the basic roles of classroom participation.

End of excerpt (I realize this is from Wikipedia, but the facts do check out - I advise any serious conservative to read more about his theories)

55 posted on 08/13/2007 6:50:37 AM PDT by P.O.E. (School's Out. Drive Safely)
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To: MarDav

In a similar vein to the swimmer story, one of my faculty colleagues used to have this to say to any student who came to him after getting a poor grade on an assignment, comlaining that it wasn’t fair because “they had worked so hard on it”:

“The physics definition of work is force applied over a distance. While you may have applied alot of force, you didn’t get anywhere, so you didn’t work.”

Used to REALLY tick them off, but they never came back with that line again.


56 posted on 08/13/2007 6:53:52 AM PDT by vajimbo
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To: MizSterious
Genuine self-esteem creates humility - a realization that while your life has great worth, so does everyone else's. Those who think other people's lives have no worth are not feeling self-esteem, but the fearful and all-too-common cry of the human ego: "Other people are a threat to me - I must crush them to be successful."

And you don't have to be a gang member or crime boss to feel that way - we see it right here on FR, among nominal "Christians" when they discuss Muslims and the relative merits of nuking Mecca.

57 posted on 08/13/2007 6:56:31 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: agrace

Do you remember schools BEFORE socialists starting infiltrating them? They had mottoes and values that used words like:

Excellence
Strength
Achievement
Perseverance
Victory

Now it’s:

Tolerance
Conservation
Peace
Harmony
Helpfulness

Seriously. There’s even a fountain outside the movie theater in Rock Hill, SC that has a bunch of pansy “values” engraved into it. There isn’t a single one that would make someone think they might excel and try to be BETTER than the next guy.


58 posted on 08/13/2007 6:58:02 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Lil'freeper

“The experts are behind the curve on this one.”

That’s right. Dave Hunt pointed out the error of teaching “self esteem” years ago in his book “Beyond Seduction”.

He noted that The Bible teaches the opposite: “Let no man think more highly of himself than he ought.” (Romans 12:3) and, in Phillippians 2:3, “ Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. “.


59 posted on 08/13/2007 6:58:17 AM PDT by RoadTest (You don’t make the poor richer by making the rich poorer.” —Winston Churchill)
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To: wagglebee

The Problem with Self-Esteem PAUL C. VITZ


The self-esteem theory, that so many people seem obsessed with these days, predicts that only those who feel good about themselves will do well — which is supposedly why all students need it. Yet the research has not supported the theory.

Today, the largest and most familiar part of American Psychology is the popular psychology of self-esteem, now found throughout American society. Self-esteem and the obsession that so many have with it, is familiar to almost all of us these days. Self-esteem programs affect the lives of countless school children, because this idea, really an ideal, has been taken and applied primarily in education.
Historically, the concept of self-esteem has no clear or obvious intellectual origins. No major psychological theorist made it a central concept. Many psychologists, however, have emphasized the self in various ways but the usual focus has been on self-actualization or fulfillment of one’s potential. As a result, it is difficult to trace the source of this emphasis on self-esteem. Apparently, this widespread preoccupation is a distillation of the general concern with the self found in so many psychological theories. Self-esteem seems to be the common denominator pervading the writings of such varied theorists as Abraham Maslow, Carl Rogers, ego-strength psychologists, and moral educators especially recently. In any case, the concern with self-esteem hovers everywhere in the US today. It is, however, most reliably found in the world of education — from professors of education, to principals, teachers, school boards, and the television programs that are concerned with education, particularly those programs concerned with preschool education like Sesame Street.

Self worth, a feeling of respect and confidence in one’s being has merit as we shall see. But an ego-centered, let me feel good self-esteem, where we can ignore our failures and our need for God is quite another thing. What is wrong with the concept of self-esteem? Lots, and it’s fundamental in nature. There have been thousands of psychological studies on self-esteem. Often the term self-esteem is muddled and confused as it becomes a label for such various aspects as self image, as self acceptance, self worth, self love, self trust, etcetera. The bottom line is that no agreed upon definition or measure for self-esteem exists. And whatever self-esteem is, no reliable evidence supports self-esteem scores as meaning much at all.

There is no evidence that high self-esteem reliably causes anything. Indeed, a lot of people with little of it, have achieved a great deal in one kind of activity or the other. For instance, Gloria Steinem, who has written a number of books and been a major leader of the feminist movement, recently revealed in a book long statement that she suffers from low self-esteem. And many people with high self-esteem are happy just being rich, beautiful, or socially connected. Some other people, whose high self-esteem has been noted are successful inner-city drug dealers who generally feel quite good about themselves. After all they have succeeded in making a lot of money in a hostile and competitive environment.

A 1989 study of mathematical skills compared students in eight different countries. American students ranked lowest in mathematical competence and Korean students ranked highest. But the researchers also asked students to rate how good they were at mathematics. The Americans ranked highest in self-judged mathematical ability, while the Koreans ranked lowest. Mathematical self-esteem had an inverse relation to mathematical accomplishment. This is certainly an example of a feel-good psychology keeping students from an accurate perception of reality. The self-esteem theory predicts that only those who feel good about themselves will do well, which is supposedly why all students need it. But in fact, feeling good about yourself may simply make you over confident, narcissistic and unable to work hard. Now, I am not implying that high self-esteem is always negatively related to accomplishment. Rather, the research mentioned above shows that measures of self-esteem have no reliable relationship to behavior, either positive or negative. In part, this is simply because life is too complicated for so simple a notion to be of much use. But for other reasons we should expect this failure in advance.

We all know, and know of, people who are motivated by insecurities and self doubts. These are often both the heroes and the villains of history. The prevalence of certain men of small stature in the history of fanatical military accomplishment is well documented. Julius Cesar, Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin were all men determined to prove they were big. Many great athletes and others have had to overcome grave physical disabilities and a lack of self-esteem. One might call this the Demosthenes effect after the ancient Greek with a speech impediment. He practiced speaking with his mouth full of pebbles and later became a famous orator.

Many superior achievements appear to have their origin in what psychologist, Alfred Adler, called an inferiority complex. The point is not that feeling bad about ourselves is good, but rather that only two things can truly change how we feel about ourselves. Real accomplishment and real love.

First, accomplishment in the real world affects our attitudes. A child who learns to read, who can do mathematics, who can play the piano or baseball, will have a genuine sense of accomplishment and an appropriate sense of self-esteem. Schools that fail to teach reading, writing, and arithmetic, corrupt the proper understanding of self-esteem. Educators, who say don’t grade them, don’t label them, you have to make them feel good about themselves, cause these problems. It makes no sense for students to be full of self-esteem if they have learned nothing. Reality will soon puncture their illusions and they will have to face two disturbing facts: that they are ignorant; and that the adults responsible for teaching them have lied to them.

In the real world, praise has to be the reward for something worthwhile. Praise must be connected to reality.

There is an even more fundamental way in which most people come to genuine self-esteem, actually to feelings of self worth or what psychologists call “basic trust.” Such feelings come through receiving love.

First of all, our mother’s love, normally. But this foundational experience of love and self confidence cannot be faked. When teachers attempt to create this deep and motivating emotion by pretending they love all their students for one hour or less a day, and by praising them indiscriminately, they misunderstand the nature of this kind of love. Parental love simply cannot be manufactured by a teacher in a few minutes of interaction a day. The child not only knows that such love is fake, but that real teachers are supposed to teach, and that this involves not just support, but discipline, demands, and reprimands, in short tough love.

Good teachers show their love by caring enough to use discipline. Thus the best and most admired teachers in most American high schools today, are the athletic coaches. They still teach, but they expect performance and they rarely worry about self-esteem. One of the best things that can happen for a budding football player who isn’t any good is to be cut from the team, because then he can begin looking for what he is good at. Instead of struggling at football where he would be wasting crucial years of his life being a third-rate player, he might become a first-rate golfer, or math student or artist. A lot of things in life we discover by the process of elimination and we have to have enough faith in our teachers that they’ll eliminate us from some of the subjects we don’t belong in so that we can find where we do belong.

Similar problems arise for those who try to build their own lagging self-esteem by speaking lovingly to their own inner child or other insecure inner self. Such attempts are doomed to failure for two reasons: first, if we are insecure about our self worth, how can we believe our own praise? Think about it. If you don’t think you’re really very worthwhile, how can you tell yourself you are and believe it? Reality has to come in — other people’s love or the actual accomplishment of something. Then you know, “Hey, it’s grounded.” Otherwise it’s kind of your own little psychological narcotic. And second, like the child, we know the need for self discipline and accomplishment. In short, self-esteem should be understood as a response, not a cause. It is primarily an emotional response to what we and what others have done to us. Though it is a desirable feeling or internal state, like happiness, it does not cause much. Also, like happiness and like love, self-esteem is almost impossible to get by trying to get it. Try to get self-esteem and you’re likely to fail, but do good to others and accomplish something for yourself and you will have all you need.

The subject is vital for Christians partly because so many are so concerned about it, and partly because the recovery of self-esteem has been emphasized very explicitly, particularly in Protestant Christianity. We must note, however, that self-esteem is a deeply secular concept, not one with which Christians should be particularly involved. Nor need they be. Christians should have a tremendous sense of self worth. God made us in His image, He loves us, He sent His Son to save each of us, our destiny is to be with God forever. Each of us is of such value that the angels rejoice over every repentant sinner.

But on the other hand, we have nothing on our own to be proud of. We were given life along with all of our talents, and we are all poor sinners. There is certainly no theological reason to believe that the rich or the successful or the high in self-esteem are more favored by God and are more likely to reach heaven. Indeed, blessed are the humble, blessed are the meek.

In addition, self-esteem is based on the very American notion that each of us is responsible for our own happiness. Thus, within a Christian framework, self-esteem has a subtle and negative effect; we may take the pursuit of happiness as a far more intense personal goal than the pursuit of holiness.

Today, self-esteem has become very important because it is thought to be essential to happiness. Unless you love yourself you will not be happy. But to assume that we must love ourselves, that God will not love us as much as we need to be loved is a form of practical atheism. We say we believe in God but we don’t trust Him. Instead, many Christians live by the very unbiblical: “God loves those who love themselves.”

Another problem is that Christians have begun to excuse evil or destructive behavior on the grounds of low self-esteem. But self-esteem, whether high or low, does not determine our actions. We are accountable for them and we are responsible for trying to do good and to avoid evil. Low self-esteem does not make someone an alcoholic, nor does it make a person finally able to admit his or her addiction and do something about it. Both of these decisions are up to each of us regardless of our level of self-esteem.

Finally, the whole focus on ourselves feeds unrealistic self love. What psychologists often call narcissism. One would have thought America had enough trouble with narcissism in the 70s which was the Me Generation and in the 80s with the yuppies. Today, the search for self-esteem is just the newest expression of America’s old egomania.

In giving school children happy faces for all their homework just because it was handed in or giving them trophies for just being on the team is flattery of the kind found for decades in our commercial slogans — “You deserve a break today,” “You are the boss,” “Have it your way.” Such self love is an extreme expression of an individualistic psychology long supported by our consumer world. Now, it is reinforced by educators who gratify the vanity of even our youngest children with repetitive mantras like “You are the most important person in the whole world.”

This narcissistic emphasis in American society and especially in education and to some extent in religion is a disguised form of self worship. If accepted, America would have 250 million “most important persons in the whole world.” Two hundred and fifty million golden selves. If such idolatry were not socially so dangerous, it would be embarrassing, even pathetic. Let’s hope common sense makes something of a come back.

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/education/ed0001.html


60 posted on 08/13/2007 6:58:20 AM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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