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URGENT: Iraq Veterans Against The War To Smear Military as Babykillers (Winter Soldier II)
Winter Soldier page at IVAW.org ^ | 2/15/07

Posted on 11/15/2007 7:06:55 PM PST by Doctor Raoul

As I said at the GOE rally, the Iraq Veterans Against The War are out to smear this generation of military as "babykillers" the way their mentors the Vietnam Veterans Against the War did during the Vietnam era.

But I never expected that they'd give away their intent by calling it "Winter Soldier" just like their mentors.

Winter Soldier was a series of 109 interviews that were turned into a book and film. According to B.G. Burkett's investigation of Winter Soldier in his book Stolen Valor, many were phony soldiers that never served, others like VVAW leader Al Hubbard served but not in Vietnam, John Kerry served in Vietnam but not in Cambodia during Christmas under orders from Nixon as claimed and others served in Vietnam but had their stories refuted by others.

The Iraq Veterans Against the War ARE the NeoJohns, the Kerry Wannabes and they were mentored by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, in particular VVAW leaders David Cline and Bill Perry.

There's the direct links to their the web pages at the bottom of this excerpt:

In 1971, over one hundred members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War
gathered in Detroit to share their stories with America. Atrocities
like the My Lai massacre had ignited popular opposition to the war,
but political and military leaders insisted that such crimes were
isolated exceptions. The members of VVAW knew differently.

Over three days in January, these soldiers testified on the systematic
brutality they had seen visited upon the people of Vietnam. They
called it the Winter Soldier investigation, after Thomas Paine's
famous admonishing of the "summer soldier" who shirks his duty
during difficult times. In a time of war and lies, the veterans who
gathered in Detroit knew it was their duty to tell the truth.


Over thirty years later, we find ourselves faced with a new war. But
the lies are the same. Once again, American troops are sinking into
increasingly bloody occupations. Once again, war crimes in places
like Haditha, Fallujah, and Abu Ghraib have turned the public
against the war. Once again, politicians and generals are blaming
"a few bad apples" instead of examining the military policies that
have destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan.

Once again, our country needs Winter Soldiers.

In March of 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War will gather in our
nation's capital to break the silence and hold our leaders
accountable for these wars. We hope you'll join us, because yours
is a story that every American needs to hear.

Click here to sign a statement of support for Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan

We Support the Troops Who Oppose the War

In 1969, the My Lai massacre helped fuel popular opposition to the
Vietnam War. U.S. political and military leaders insisted that such
crimes were isolated exceptions. Members of Vietnam Veterans
Against the War knew differently.

In January of 1971, over one hundred Vietnam Veterans gathered in
Detroit to testify their experiences to America. Their testimony,
called the Winter Soldier Investigation, revealed that atrocities
were systemic and responsibility laid at the highest levels of
government.

The U.S. Government lied to get us into war and continues to conceal
the true nature of military occupation.

On the weekend of 13-15 March, 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War will
assemble history's largest gathering of US veterans of Iraq and
Afghanistan, as well as Iraqi and Afghan survivors. They will
provide first hand accounts of their experiences and reveal the
truth of occupation.

We support Iraq Veterans Against the War and their Winter Soldier: Iraq
& Afghanistan Investigation. Join us in supporting the effort to
reveal truth in the way that only those who lived it can.

Winter Soldier

Sign the Statement of Support

Submit testimony or evidence

How to help


Download and save the Winter Soldier Questionnaire and the Winter Soldier Evidence form PDF files.

Contact every veteran you know, especially Vietnam vets, and help put a stop to their plans to smear this generation by exposing IVAW as the VVAW's Junior Varsity.

Don't let the Vietnam Veterans Against the War call TWO generations of vets "babykillers".


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: babykillers; communists; ivaw; phonysoldiers; vvaw; wintersoldiers
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To: 4integrity
Thank you, I'm so grateful to the folks who made FR happen, Jim Robinson, et al. And the folks on this site who were reponsible for the early successes and in particular, MisterConfettiman, who served as an example and an inspiration.

They led the way, I followed.

And I'm proud to stand with those who decided not to let the Walter Reed protest go unchallenged; who removed the Code Pink haters from the main gates so our wounded heros don't have to see traitors.

Proud to stand with those who will take this information and see that it is distributed and then come together and fight so that this generation isn't smeared by the radicals as they did the Vietnam military.

Proud to work with those who saw to it that every anti-war demo in DC had a counter, to show the pubkic the moonbats don't speak for America.

Proud to know these folks who gave generously of their time and energy and money to do those kinds of things. Who come out despite the long hours and bad weather.

Proud of every FREEP that is organized in support of our military and country because while many people talk a good game, they couldn't be bothered to follow their own advice.

And if it wasn't for Free Republic, there are a lot of good things that would not havehappened.

101 posted on 11/17/2007 3:05:32 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

‘..if it wasn’t for Free Republic, there are a lot of good things that would not havehappened.’

...and a lot of good, ACCURATE information would not get circulated. AMEN to all you said, Dr.R.

Although I live in Fla, I’ve been proud to join in 2 D.C. Freeper rallies to support our troops. I truly wish I lived close enough to join the Friday night Freeps. God bless Kristinn and everyone who stands outside WR to let our military and their families know THERE ARE Americans who support them.


102 posted on 11/17/2007 3:36:00 PM PST by 4integrity
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To: angkor; All
It’s just a matter of getting maybe a million or two people to send written attestations to those facts, using whatever stories, names, addresses, and methods they find most suitable to the occasion. It’ll take them 3 or 4 years to verify or reject all of those attestations.

Uhhhh, Is it just me or does anyone else consider this to be a request to use the liberal tactic of, "Slander my opponent to shut them up"?

103 posted on 11/17/2007 3:42:15 PM PST by SwankyC
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To: Doctor Raoul

Right, and the liberals whose support of abortion has murdered 42 million unborn children aren’t babykillers, just the evil US troops who rescue Iraq kids from danger and help them get medical care /s


104 posted on 11/17/2007 3:46:01 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: AliVeritas

“Here’s one of the most lying, outright dishonest columns ever...

Army Desertion Rate up 80% since ‘03
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20071117/D8SV5FQG0.html";

Can you please elaborate?


105 posted on 11/17/2007 5:22:22 PM PST by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Not surprising. I always felt that the Boomer Left is trying to use the “peace movement” to relive the glory days of the 1960s, the distant past, and it uses buffoons like the IVAW as surrogates. Someone should tell those s-o-bs that the 60s are dead, and they were a bankrupt era.


106 posted on 11/17/2007 10:30:26 PM PST by Jacob Kell (Member of the LCMS since birth.)
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To: chesty_puller

“AH...Baby killers. I kinda miss those days.”

Well said....what was it...”fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”. What a great weekend for us all to visit DC. It was nice of them to ‘invite’ us!
Oh, and great tagline, I agree.


107 posted on 11/18/2007 5:22:00 AM PST by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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To: Doctor Raoul

And notice this abortion sequel was announced on the 25th Anniversary of the Vietnam Memorial....only fitting that the black sheep have their 66 seconds of fame!


108 posted on 11/18/2007 1:46:14 PM PST by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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To: nutmeg

BTTT


109 posted on 11/18/2007 9:41:48 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Doctor Raoul

To all my brothers, Welcome home, and Thank You for your service.

32F20-REMF(but man, those rounds found me anyway!)


110 posted on 11/19/2007 4:49:12 AM PST by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: molette67


111 posted on 11/19/2007 5:17:32 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Doctor Raoul; All
pardon me, but FR wouldn't have been "represented" had it NOT been for GREAT FReepers like YOU & the brave/honorable members of the DC Chapter.

i have been honored/blessed to KNOW each of you.

free dixie,sw

112 posted on 11/19/2007 8:24:08 PM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: do the dhue

unbeleiveable nut jobs everywhere


113 posted on 11/20/2007 6:30:21 AM PST by molette67
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To: do the dhue; All
what i keep wondering is, when the "general public" figures out that they have been constantly LIED TO & PLAYED FOR FOOLS about the WOT by the "main-slime media" & the DIMocRATS (and they WILL figure that out!), what will THEN happen in '08.

free dixie,sw

114 posted on 11/20/2007 7:21:27 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie

Thank you, stand watie. I appreciate your honor of my dear brother, who not only suffered after Vietnam but all of his life. He was a loner but so funny. His sense of humor kept him going and was a blessing to all who knew him. God bless YOU, dear friend.


115 posted on 11/20/2007 8:54:20 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: LucyJo

Thank you, dear LucyJo. I am touched deeply by your words. I wish Eddie could have heard them. Our Vietnam vets suffered greatly throughout the history of the war and afterwards. I pray all have a healing in their lives. They were brave men and women and we appreciate them.


116 posted on 11/20/2007 8:55:57 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: stand watie

Thank you. He has a son, Greg, who lives in Frederick, MD. When Eddie died, he came to FL and retrieved his ashes and paid for everything. He and his father didn’t know each other well but at the end, Greg stood up and did what he could.


117 posted on 11/20/2007 8:59:36 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Marysecretary

I wish I could have told your brother too, and I’m thankful to have had to opportunity to tell you. God bless.


118 posted on 11/20/2007 11:30:55 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: Marysecretary
thanks, dear.

prayers continue. may you have a BLESSED Thanksgiving.

free dixie HUGS,sw

119 posted on 11/21/2007 10:40:29 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Marysecretary
understood.

free dixie HUGS,sw

120 posted on 11/21/2007 10:40:57 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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