HI Sen Will Espero Inroduces Bill 2 Weeks after "Red Flags" posted

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[butterdezillion]

lol. When I hear “vexatious” I can only think of Mrs. Bennett from “Pride and Prejudice” - gossiping, money-hungry, old biddie.

I would wear “vexatious” as a badge of honor coming from these folks. lol.

[EnderWiggins]

"I think for Espero it’s more a response to my official request for an investigation. See #5 on the actions that can get you labelled a “vexatious requestor”."

But butterdezillion.... You are a vexatious requester. As apparently are a whole bunch of other people.

"When holy heck is raised the question in government always becomes, “Who knew what, and when?” Espero is mad because I have proof that he (and all HI legislators) were informed of the illegal activity long ago so he can’t even deny his complacency when this all breaks loose. Nothing to lose for him so he may as well try to get rid of the open records laws before ANYBODY requests an investigation of anybody (including him)."

That's one possibility. Another is that the Hawaii DOH actually has work to do, and can't afford to waste its time responding to you, and Miss Tickly, and John Charlton... you know the usual suspects.

"This is blatant CYA."

Or blatant common sense. I'm sure there are other possibilities as well.

[butterdezillion]

Thank you. And I would hope I’d do the same for you. I’d say I definitely would, but the whole saint/sinner dichotomy is all too real to me. lol. Usually I don’t come anywhere close to what I aspire to be and do. I try, most of the time...

[butterdezillion]

Open records laws are a big hassle so we should just do away with them.

God knows, tyrannical communism is the most efficient form of government...

[EnderWiggins]

When they are abused, the abusers should be put in their place.

[MissTickly]

“a word I had to look up.”

*whew* well, it’s a relief to know I wasn’t the only one=)

[EnderWiggins]

"Open records laws are a big hassle so we should just do away with them."

When they are abused, the abusers should be called to account.

[suijuris]

I'm getting 40 to 50 requests every month for President Obama's birth certificate,

Stupid bi-ch! Its called a job! At work I get 150 emails a day with 50 requiring written repsonses. This in addition to the other important aspects of my Job. God forbid she can't handle 50 request per month?!! After all, how much effort does it really take to say "request denied"? .

[MissTickly]

Actually, this legislation flies in the face of ‘public interest,’ in that it seeks to ‘decide’ what exactly the public should be interested in.

Sounds like Fukino even provided the HA a handy list of what we SHOULD be interested in.

[MissTickly]

“When they are abused, the abusers should be called to account.”

Delay on the server.

I see you panicked and posted this old chestnut twice. Considering how cliché the sentiment is, it really speaks volumes on your self importance.

Funny stuff.

[EnderWiggins]

The issue is not that she gets so many requests. The issue is that she gets so many BS requests on this single issue.

[EnderWiggins]

When is it ever in the “public interest” to feed the trolls?

[MissTickly]

Hmmm...

They answered MY questions to my satisfaction. In fact, two OIP attorneys thoughtfully advised me on how to draft my requests for information.

So I don’t know what you are talking about.

I have a feeling you don’t know wtf you are talking about either.

“When is it ever in the “public interest” to feed the trolls?”

[EnderWiggins]

That’s why we have cliches in the first place. They’re usually true.

[bgill]

Beware, beware! Your notification of vexatiousness will soon be sent!

Hmm, if they send it by email or fax, there’s no proof you ever received it. But, of course, they already know that as they’ve practiced that avenue enough. The only way would be to send it certified snail mail to have proof. Of course, they would then have to acknowledge they had indeed received your previous requests which would bring into question why they never replied to them. Vicious circle.

Wonder whom the ombudsman would be hired by? Interestingly, it doesn’t state how many requests would put someone into vexing status - 3, 15, 27, or merely 1 that they don’t wish to deal with? It looks like this grants them the right to do as they wish at any time they wish. For them to go this far, someone is running very, very scared.

[MissTickly]

I didn’t argue the truth of your simple thinking, I pointed out the simplicity of your simple mindedness; and the urge that you had to see your simple thought appear “on the big screen” was so great and your need to pat yourself on the back for it’s profundity (*ahem* snark) was so strong, that you wrote it twice.

Just in case.

Funny. Funny.=)

[EnderWiggins]

"I didn’t argue the truth of your simple thinking."

Of course not. How could you?

[tutstar]

[MissTickly]

Not that I have a particular problem with the truthfulness of your cliché, but it doesn’t add a thing to the conversation. Obviously,declaring a requester ‘vexatious’ is almost entirely subjective. The task is delegated to the OIP Director evidently.

You have accused me of being an ‘abuser’—and I beg to differ. In fact, I don’t know where the h-ll you get off saying something like that. So, this is why they are skating a dangerous line. I find that to be an offensive and slanderous accusation.

If this legislation was in effect during the time I made my own requests, and the OIP were to deliberate whether I was a vexatious requester, I would simply provide the email communications with the very helpful OIP staff with whom I consulted in drafting my requests.

[EnderWiggins]

"Not that I have a particular problem with the truthfulness of your cliché, but it doesn’t add a thing to the conversation. Obviously,declaring a requester ‘vexatious’ is almost entirely subjective. The task is delegated to the OIP Director evidently."

This is among the reasons we actually have professionals who do jobs: To make the subjective decisions that are required of leadership. If everything was objective and comprehensively covered by rules, we wouldn't need people. Mindless automatons could follow the rules by rote and everything would be hunky-dory.

But systems of rules are rational and designed to facilitate rational requests, not the inexhaustible rationalizations of conspiracy theorists. Professionals such as Okubo actually are tasked with accountability for their resources. This legislation would give them a tool to better do their jobs.

"You have accused me of being an ‘abuser’—and I beg to differ. In fact, I don’t know where the h-ll you get off saying something like that. So, this is why they are skating a dangerous line. I find that to be an offensive and slanderous accusation."

I am sorry to have offended you. But I have read your exchanges with the Hawaii DOH and OIP, and I have to tell you that this judgment is merely the obverse of the incredible patience, courtesy and professionalism they showed in dealing with your interminable and ultimately pointless requests. Of course, they are Hawaiian and that is part of the local culture there. I would have loved to have seen the reponse from a similar inquisition conducted against, say, their counterparts in New Jersey.

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that you are one of the inspirations for this legislation. So, I suspect, do you in your heart of hearts.

"If this legislation was in effect during the time I made my own requests, and the OIP were to deliberate whether I was a vexatious requester, I would simply provide the email communications with the very helpful OIP staff with whom I consulted in drafting my requests."

LOL... had this legislation been in effect during the time you made your own requests, you would have had a vastly smaller collection of correspondence to provide.