Posted on 05/04/2010 10:19:48 AM PDT by Colofornian
Gotcha. Be amused, if you must.
You seem to have confused atheists and agnostics.
Agnosticism is not the belief that God doesn’t care diddle squat about our everyday lives. I simply don’t know, and have not received the faith, and as a result, I’m not a true believer. I have no problem with those who do/those who are. Hardly means that I am unable to understand the upshot of Bible verses, though. That’s just funny.
Then impale him in the public square as a warning.
OH? Well, according to past leaders, God did send some pretty handy revelations to them. Whenever it was "expedient".
Star Traveler equated Mormon country with pervert country. In black and white (bits and bytes, if you will). See post #5. I expressed disappointment in him/her for painting with such a broad brush. I’m surprised that you failed to see that.
How you get from there to believing that I am siding with a child rapist is an example of some seriously binary thinking. I can admonish Star Traveler for his silly comment AND want to string the perp up at the same time. I don’t have to take either of their sides.
See how that works?
Which is why I’m not an atheist. I am not angry at God, nor do I claim he doesn’t exist. I just don’t know.
I didn’t see the part where LDS is mentioned.
I just got back (was out for a little bit) -- and thanks for calling that to my attention... I didn't think that article I posted in Post #12 was on the excerpt list, but apparently it was....
Ahhh..., I found it on the no excerpt list ... ooops... :-)
Free Republic says ... "they will only allow the posting of titles and links." So, here's the title and link ...
The quote that I posted (I won't quote it, but I'll put it in my own words what was said ...) -- it was that the husband and wife were members of the Mormon church, and they didn't go through official channels to do this -- but went through their connections in the church (sounds like all their "buddies" in the Mormon church) to do this with kids ...
According to the article, the foster father had more than 80 counts/charges against him dropped in 2005, even though he was licensed with the state Children, Youth and Families Department. And he continued assaulting the foster daughter even then.
Several other sources said that Mortensen (and his wife Lisa) fostered about 50 kids during the last 20 years.
This girl (and apparently other girls) were placed privately with the Mortensens, apparently with their Mormon church "unofficial connections" and with the kids' families. It said that it was done outside of the state agency and done through private and/or religious organizations.
It says that the Mortensens didn't go through the actual "church system" but went through connections that they had with Mormons in the church.
Mortensen used an error in church baptismal records to justify his actions, apparently convincing the girls that he could have sex with them, according to the church documentation. The church itself said it denied any "direct" connection with the Mortensens in carrying this out.
The wife was also involved with kids, too..., in the social work field, which may have made it easier for them to get these girls involved with Mortensen.
Apparently Mortensen continued to have foster daughters (and apparently continued his sexual relations with them, maybe even using church records or the influence of the teachings of the church [but not "direct" church involvement] in getting those foster girls to have sexual relations with him. It seems that the families who adopted the girls out to the Mortensens also paid for the Mortensens to "take care of the girls" ...
And also, apparently it's not illegal for families to make these kinds of "private arrangements" with other families for the care of their daughters, so for those who have this kind of "mindset" about procreating with girls in future "universes" that they control -- this may be a temptation too much for them to resist in the "here and now" ... I would say.
Anyway, this was all reworded in my own words, since the article itself cannot be quoted directly -- but one can access the article directly through the link ... :-)
Castrate the pervert. NOT chemically. Some traumas are life changing, not for the better, and this is one of them. No more victims for this “man.”
True, but I won’t defend the church however it has not allowed multiple wives for over 100 years.
It's still a teaching of the Mormon Church -- in that they expect to do so into eternity (they just have to avoid the "pesky" U.S. laws for right now ... LOL ...). For any faithful Mormon man, he expects (if he qualifies according to the Mormon Church) to have his own universe, have multiple wives (and that's something that is considered "important" to maintain into eternity) and with those many wives, he will have sexual relations with them into eternity -- to have millions upon millions of babies, over which he has full and complete control as a "god" in his own universe, completely under his total control.
A "good" Mormon man who fulfills the obligations of the Mormon Church in all that he's supposed to do, fully well expects this to be the case for him.
As far as the Mormon Church not promoting that now, they do, but in a different way... it's "for the future" now -- while they are under "legal obligation" in the present to not promote it (or else they would have been disbanded by the government back then, and they knew it; so they were forced into this "situation" at the present.
But, if it were to come around where multiple wives were okay (just "think" Sharia law being implemented in the U.S. allowing "multiple wives" for an example of how that could happen) -- the Mormons would be glad to "jump back on the bandwagon" of having multiple wives again and procreating up a storm ... getting a head start on that future universe that they can "be their own god" in ... doncha know ... :-)
And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Matthew 7:3
Yeah! With that kind of "mentality" -- we might as well give up on adultery... (you know... the "plank" thing ... LOL) and murder, and pedophilia and homosexuality -- because of all those "planks" in everyone else's eyes ... LOL ...
It's a good thing that most people don't think like that ... or else we might as well "go pagan" in this country ... :-)
Truly, that is as bad as blaming everyone named Henry for the crime of one person named Henry. It is bitter, angry thinking and I usually reserve those two adjectives for Dimocrats.
If everyone names "Henry" were all promoting the same ideas and philosophies -- then I would be blaming all the "Henrys" too ... :-)
As for the Mormons, having sexual relations with multiple wives, into eternity, to create millions upon millions of their own "people" in their own universe in which the guy is a "god until himself" in that universe that he totally controls and absolutely so -- I think that's something to "hang your hat" on for something relevant -- and how some in the "here and now" may be figuring on "getting a head start" on that "program" ...
Because in the case of Space Case, the beam went through his bigoted brain as well, rendering him permanently deficient and utterly lacking any semblance of manners.
I hit the abuse button for the first time in I don't know how many years over his slur on "perverts", but apparently that's OK.
I'm uncertain how direct a "personal attack" is required to get the mod's disapproval. I'm NOT uncertain that the Mormon bashing group are disgusting people.
Castrate the pervert. NOT chemically. Some traumas are life changing, not for the better, and this is one of them. No more victims for this “man.”
That might not be a popular solution with Mormons, since they have to keep "using the goods" in the future to populate that future universe that they will control and be a "god" in -- with their many wives and the many children that they create for that universe. They won't be stopping, either -- mind you -- because they need to do this "procreation" in perpetuity -- as it's a religious requirement for the guy to do this ... doncha know.
So, please, ... they still "need their gear" for the future ...
I'm uncertain how direct a "personal attack" is required to get the mod's disapproval. I'm NOT uncertain that the Mormon bashing group are disgusting people.
The religious doctrines and teachings of the Mormons about populating future universes, with multiple wives and having millions upon millions of babies to populate that universe in which the man will be a "god" just like God is now ... is indisputable.
Just because you might not like hearing about it... and prefer to "keep it quiet" doesn't mean it's not true or it's not taught and that Mormon men who are qualified and faithful do not expect that to be the situation for them in the future.
AND... in addition ... an very good argument can be made for the idea that religious teachings and/or doctrines can very well influence and affect one's thinking and actions -- in the present time -- thus affecting situations like that -- that we see in this article. It's not far-fetched and it's not out of bounds. It's all "reasonable" in the way of discussion and in the way of "facts" related to teachings and doctrines ...
These things may be "offensive" -- but is it "offensive" because these teachings are "exposed" and thus are "unseemly"? Or is it offensive because they are taught at all and should never be taught with any religion?
Just wondering why the "offense"?
I mean by that... that I have Christian doctrines that I maintain, and you won't find me shrinking away from any of those doctrines and teachings of Christianity that come from the Bible, God's Word. So, I think Mormons should "standy by" their own teachings and doctrines and also -- not shrink away from them ... if this is indeed what they teach.
It's definitely not Christianity that they teach, because no Christian church teaches multiple wives, and procreating for eternity with those multiple wives and having your own universe and being a "god" just like God is now.
BUT, it is the Mormon viewpoint and if so... they should "stand by it" doncha know ...
That might not be a popular solution with Mormons
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Oh I dont know...
Castration was popular with the mormons when they were doing it to men who had women the castrater was lusting after...
mormon bishop Warren Snow castrated a young mormon man because the boy wouldnt give up his fiance to Snow
and the girl kept refusing Snows sexual advances....
When Briggy Young heard about it he said that Snow did the right thing...
Now it seems to me that if the mormon “prophet” thinks its OK to castrate and innocent mormon man...
Then they would have no objection to the castration of a guilty child rapist mormon man...
No, it's YOUR characterization of their viewpoint. Why do they have to "stand by" your slurs, distortions and myths ?
Why oh why did I click on "everything" ? A glutton for irritation, I guess. And blatant distortions, lies and attacks on others' religions are certainly irritating. As well as disgusting.
But having seen your team in action before, I should have noted the OP and passed.
Well, I have to admit... if you’re referring to actual Mormon history and practices, you’ve got a point. Of course, I might consider that to be an example of “You don’t deny a ‘god’ ... if he wants your wife!”
But, why quibble over details... you’re probably right ... :-)
[ ... by the way, I believe the same thing happened with another “polygamous group”, too... Mohammed had someone “hand over their wife” ... but, I think there were a number of men that never got the chance to hand over their wives to Mohammed as he had them killed before he grabbed their wives ... doncha know ... polygamous groups do seem to have some similar thinking ...]
No, it's YOUR characterization of their viewpoint. Why do they have to "stand by" your slurs, distortions and myths ?
OMG!
If you don't know that about Mormons... that they intend to procreate with multiple wives into eternity and by their sexual relations with these women, into perpetuity, they intend to populate other universes that they will be a "god" in these other universes that they control ... just like God does now for us ... then ... you don't know Mormonism...
Sorry, I figured you already knew that, but I see you need to read up a bit. BUT, that's not unusual, because there are a lot of people who don't realize that about Mormon teachings and doctrines ... so don't feel bad there... :-)
Yes, I read about this from one of former BYU professor of History Michael Quinn's books. Exactly how you described it. Quinn added that the young castrated man lost his mind after the Lds leader's mob actions.
Oh, good grief. Get off the thread if you are so easily offend. But hey, that’s just my opinion. (if that’s alright with you of course)
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