Posted on 11/17/2017 5:51:31 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
“which would make the 19th Amendment in particular an attack on the 10th Amendment”
Which is another solid reason to repeal it.
Thanks,
L
The 17th amendment should be repealed, but not because of Judge Moore.
RCP poll average as of today, Jones +0.2%
Politicians are scumbags. Letting a small number of scumbags pick Senators would be insane.
They sure as hell wouldn’t send many conservatives. Dems and RINOs would team up in most Republican states.
It would be nice in the case of this particular election, but it would cause many of it’s own debacles.
I am in agreement we should return to the original Constitution. Senators would once again be responsible to State legislators, and not be lone wolves. The longer I live the more convinced I am that the framers of the Constitution were empowered from above in the formation of this country and the writing of the Constitution. It is an amazing instrument. I am an octogenarian.
Think about the huge amount of money that will disappear from the system at election time. The media and special interests will fight it tooth and nail, which make the idea tastier.
While I don’t disagree with you that all politicians are whore and playthings, the lobbyist connection makes no sense.
At least Senators would not be beholden to voters, most of whom are dumb as bricks. And Senate races wouldn’t be popularity contests which elect men and women who are attractive or glamorous (e.g., Scott Brown or Kamala Harris). Electing people merely because they are attractive should be limited to the House of Representatives.
No thank you.
Let the people decide
“Please post your view of the effects of the 19th Amendment.”
A death sentence for the republic.
You have it backwards. Pre-17th the State Senators were chosen by whatever means the State wanted. Direct Election, indirect election (buy district), chosen by the governor with advice and consent of the state house, nomination by the state house with approval of the governor via veto and non-veto and the State houses having the ability to override vetoes.
The primary reason for the 17th was Corruption through Cronyism — particularly in Governor appointed Senators.
Well we still have corruption and cronyism with our direct election method but also allowing other state residents to give campaign donations to out of State Senators is also a travesty. Skewing the Senate towards the bigger, well populated and concentration of wealth.
If they just passed a law that no out of state money and make it absolute — multi state pacs forbidden, no changing what you are once filed and put the onus of verifying the legitimacy of a donor on the Candidate with anywhere from censure to automatic impeachment as penalties for not performing the duty verifying the donation legitimacy.
How could State legislators be more corrupt than the system we now have whereby special interests call the shots. Some of those senators probably don’t go the bathroom without getting permission from one of their supporters.IMO
What evidence was there of cronyism prior to the Seventeenth? It’s one thing to assert it, but yet another to prove it.
Now after the Seventeenth, cronyism is rampant. And the state governments completely lost their representation in DC, and power gets centralized in DC. And again, the Senate has become instead a place for foreign governments to exert influence over the federal government, something that was never intended by the Founding Fathers.
“Yeah right,
So we can give a free check to Mitch McConnell and let him choose?
Or give any other group of people already in the senate the power to keep and protect their status quo?
Elections are about change. If we are displeased with the current power structure in the senate we vote and change it,
So to the author of this article: No! Heck No!”
Repeal of the 17th would return selection of a State’s U.S. Senator to adhere to the selection process specified in Constitution of that State. Prior to enactment of the 17th Amendment, States had multiple methods to their State’s U.S. Senator selection.
Some States had their Senator appointed by the Governor or selected by the State House of Representatives – these were the most common methods of selection. Some States had provisions for immediate recalls of a State‘s U.S. Senator which ensured State interest were represented in the Federal Government.
The selling point to Repeal of 17th would return control of the U.S. Senate to the State as prescribed by our Founding Fathers.
The word they should be using is uncorroboratable.
Then the rest of the article flows.
-PJ
What was it for Hillary before November 8?
ok. So let's 86 the 17th. But, before we do, with politics as usual, how do we prevent the same old same old corruption that was the trigger to write the 17th and that exists on every level of government now?
RCP average for the National popular vote, Clinton +3.3.
Actual Result with Cali fraud included, Clinton +2.1
Polling was not actually off by much at all. State polling was pretty accurate too, except for Wisconsin which was underpolled. Most were within the margin of error. It was expectations that were so heavily biased in favor of Clinton, not polling.
Maybe Moore is actually up by as much as up 2 or 3. It should be 15-20.
It’s the “States OR the people” but otherwise I don’t disagree. Most people don’t really pay much attention to the 10th amendment and that inattention is rather sad.
I would say clinton got between 10-15 million illegal and fraudulent votes. Subtract those votes and the Billions of dollars in free advertising from the leftist propaganda media and Trump would have won every state.
The polling was crap.
Please explain why that is so.
the judiciary has hampered this in order to control the courts, and restrain the people from “indicting’ corruption. If Grand Juries were able to make investigations and presentments without kowtowing to prosecuters, Hillary an Bill would be in jail by now and Obama's birth could have been investigated instead of dead ended by findings of no standing...
Grand Juries are supposed to be the peoples tool to stop corruption...why is it considered "obsolete"? we need to start a movement to follow the Constitution and return power to the people and lock all these crooks up.see runaway grand juries..
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/runaway.htm
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