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To: mdittmar
I am NOT a union supporter, so I never imagined this might happen - but I DO agree with AFL-CIO this one time - The effort to expand cynically named "right to work" laws says a lot about what is wrong with politics in our country. Disguised as protecting workers, the real goal is to silence workers’ voice, reduce our bargaining power and make our jobs more precarious. Am I mistaken? All replies welcome and encouraged...
6 posted on 02/24/2018 3:15:00 PM PST by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: heterosupremacist
So,you get a job,and do your job well,and get paid well.

Why would I need some dumbass taking part of my money and bringing me donuts and a T shirt?

7 posted on 02/24/2018 3:19:50 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: heterosupremacist

Yes, you are mistaken on this one.

The attacks on the Right to Work laws in southern states is an effort to create more closed shop compulsory unionism.

As the National Right to Work Committee has always put it. Every American worker should have the right to join a union and the right not to join one.


8 posted on 02/24/2018 3:20:07 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: heterosupremacist

The unions are down for the collectivist shruggle (- See Animal Farm), not for Individual Liberty.


9 posted on 02/24/2018 3:23:57 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: heterosupremacist

Even Samuel Gompers was opposed to forced unionization which is what is done in “closed shop” states.

Philosophically as long as I am not forced to join I have no issue with unions in he private sector. Go combine you labor bargaining power see if you can cut a deal with the company that delivers a competitive good or service. The market will decide if your right.

However with a government union none of those forces are in play its just endless political swindling of the taxpayer.


11 posted on 02/24/2018 3:27:25 PM PST by Reily
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To: heterosupremacist; mdittmar

” Disguised as protecting workers, the real goal is to silence workers’ voice, reduce our bargaining power and make our jobs more precarious.”

My take is that unions should NOT take money away from me because of my work. The only ones legally entitled to take (actually steal) money from me is the US govt via taxes.

Job security does not exist. God knows I’ve been fired on jobs that 1) the manager was an incompetent moron 2) the co-workers were lazy and weren’t fired due to racial sh*t (meaning they were black and protected). Unions were built to make you NOT FIRE-ABLE. Those are what union dues were made for.


12 posted on 02/24/2018 3:28:52 PM PST by max americana (Fired libtard employees 9 consecutive times at every election since 08'. I hope all liberals die.)
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To: heterosupremacist; Redwood71

I can’t believe this is even controversial on this web site.
If you are denied a job because you don’t want to support a union, then you don’t have a right to take a job for which you are qualified. “Right to work” restores that.


15 posted on 02/24/2018 3:31:12 PM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: heterosupremacist

Yes; on this one you are mistaken.
When I first went to work as a plumber I was required to join a union, worst part of it was the union was Local 99 of the SEIU.
They took a healthy chunk out of my paycheck every 2 weeks, approximately 75 percent of that money went to support political action and what in my opinion were crooked politicians.
When they told me at a delegates meeting that they were giving money and supporting Jimmy Carter for re-election I told them all to go F#CK themselves and quit the job.
Fortunately for me, my skills got me a job in an Open/Non Union shop.
Best move I ever made.


20 posted on 02/24/2018 3:37:16 PM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: heterosupremacist
I've been a hiring manager for most of my career. I can confirm that good help is hard to find these days and good employees that come to work with positive "can-do" attitudes and a decent work ethic have nothing to worry about with "right-to-work." They will also be able to negotiate raises and promotions on their own merit. They won't have any need of pinky-ringed union plug-uglies "representing" them. Or government regulation either.

The primary purpose of my job is to find and RETAIN good people! The myth that bosses are out to tyrannize good employees and look for ways to get them fired is utterly untrue. If you work for a company that does not feel that way, then you are working for the wrong company! When we have good employees, the company tends to do very well.

Now if you are a negative, complaining loudmouth who bangs in sick all the time, shows up late and has little or no pride in what you are doing, then you might want to consider working for a "union" type job where your "rights" are protected.

28 posted on 02/24/2018 3:45:49 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: heterosupremacist

” Am I mistaken? All replies welcome and encouraged... “

Yes and no. It’s about the company making money while keeping the best trained and able to do the job. Those that do a great job get rewarded. Those that don’t go on probation and if it doesn’t change they get someone who can do the job. Benefits are usually the same.

Non-union labor will do the work better than union labor. They will receive more raises and bonuses for meeting production quotas. And they will do it with quality in mind, because the better job they do, the more money the company makes. There is a synergy there that doesn’t exist in a union shop.


31 posted on 02/24/2018 3:47:44 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (What is a Blue City? First world cities run by third world politicians.)
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To: heterosupremacist
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The right to work without having to support world wide Marxism with our hard earned pay.

No bargaining power is reduced by not having to pay your opposition for the “privilege” to work.

35 posted on 02/24/2018 3:51:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: heterosupremacist
Right to Work means you can't be prevented from taking a job until the union ALLOWS you to take the job. They only ALLOW it if you pay the union dues. They may choose to not allow you to join the union because they don't like something about you. The union becomes a gatekeeper between a private individual and a private business agreeing to terms of employment. The union hates the prospect of losing that power over individuals.

I live in a Right to Work state. I don't put anything on my cars supporting the policy because there are plenty of union members who would vandalize my vehicle and re-arrange my kneecaps. No need to be a target. I have an "at will" employment agreement. It states that the employer or employee is free to terminate the working agreement for any reason or no reason. You aren't contractually obligated to stay if the employer inflicts undesirable behavior to the employee. Part of my initial agreement also identified items of intellectual property that were mine and not the property of the company. In the course of employment, you will build things as a "work for hire". That is company property if you developed it in the course of compensated employment. Patents developed at company expense traditionally bear the name of the researcher, but rights to the use of the patent are company property. It's a nice perk.

41 posted on 02/24/2018 4:00:44 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: heterosupremacist
Am I mistaken?

Yes.

Right to work does not mean you can not be part of a union.

It just means you can not be forced to join a union.

Here in Michigan we had a particularly nasty ploy, the SEIU successfully lobbied for unpaid family members to be classified as "home health care workers."

The 44,000 people affected never wanted to be part of a union. Why would they? There was no benefit to them. And they did not realize they were even being unionized.

When they got a letter from for the SEIU they tossed it as junk mail.

That was the only communication they had that they were being unionized.

Dues were then automatically collected from the care recipients' Medicare or Medicaid checks. The union ripped them off to the tune of 34 million.

Now mind you these people were not being paid in the first place. So the money was coming from the money that was suppose to provide treatment for the person they were caring for.

It takes a special kind of lower life form to rip off the sick and dying.

When right to work passed (and this was one reason it did pass) the union could no longer steal from the disabled. But they refused to pay the money they stole for doing exactly NOTHING.

That is what unions do.

And that is what Right to Work does.

It prevents a specially protected class from forcing people to give them money at gun point.

44 posted on 02/24/2018 4:08:53 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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To: heterosupremacist
I grew up in the west and southwest where right to work is the way it is at most jobs. You have the right to work somewhere or not. Same goes with the employers. You are not beholden to some union steward. But then the company isn't either.

I never had a union job, but I never understood why you would be forced to give someone some of your money to keep your job.

Sounds like protection money or extortion to me.

55 posted on 02/24/2018 5:26:52 PM PST by HotHunt
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To: heterosupremacist
On this one, you are wrong...

The alternative to "Right to Work" (with no one and no co$t between you and your employer...)

...is "Compulsory Union Membership" (You have no choice but to pay $$$ to Union/Mafia goons to allow you to work...)

58 posted on 02/24/2018 6:04:43 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias; "0bama": Allah's stooge; "Moderate Muslims": Allah's useful idiots.)
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To: heterosupremacist

“Am I mistaken? All replies welcome and encouraged... “

Yeah, you’re mistaken. Public sector unions should be outlawed and their leadership imprisoned. There aren’t enough people working in private sector unions to matter anymore, they will die off on their own.


61 posted on 02/24/2018 6:39:56 PM PST by Beagle8U (Wake up and smell the Covfef)
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