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‘Bigger Than Watergate’? Both Sides Say Yes, but for Different Reasons
nytimes ^ | 05/17/2018 | Peter Baker

Posted on 05/18/2018 5:35:59 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

WASHINGTON — President Trump and his critics actually agree on something. If a column he read in a magazine is correct, he wrote on Twitter on Thursday, “this is bigger than Watergate!”

Never mind that he was thinking of something different than his adversaries when they use the same phrase. Mr. Trump was referring to what he deems a deep-state conspiracy to get him. His detractors are referring to the various scandals swirling around Mr. Trump.

Watergate has long been the touchstone for modern American scandal, the mountain of misconduct against which all others are judged. In the 44 years since Richard M. Nixon resigned, virtually every political investigation has been likened to the one that brought down a president, the suffix “gate” applied to all sorts of public flaps, no matter how significant or trivial.

But rarely has the comparison been as intense and persistent as during the 16 months since Mr. Trump took office — a comparison deployed by both sides in hopes of shaping the narrative of wrongdoing. What started out as an inquiry into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election has mushroomed into questions of perjury, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, abuse of power, illicit spying, hush money, tax fraud, money laundering and influence peddling.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: cultureofcorruption; fakenews; nyslimes; trumprussia; watergate
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1 posted on 05/18/2018 5:35:59 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The NYTimes can only manipulate uniformed losers that rely on others to provide for their basic needs, Game is over.


2 posted on 05/18/2018 5:40:30 AM PDT by son of terrence
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To: ChicagoConservative27
"Mr. Trump was referring to what he deems a deep-state conspiracy to get him. His detractors are referring to the various scandals swirling around Mr. Trump."

Leave it to the NYT to write about the actual news as a 'conspiracy' as they posit the 'various scandals' as the fact.

3 posted on 05/18/2018 5:40:56 AM PDT by vg0va3
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“Various scandals?” Like what I ask.


4 posted on 05/18/2018 5:44:32 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: ChicagoConservative27

God, I wish just once liberals would ask themselves: What if this happened to us?


5 posted on 05/18/2018 5:45:19 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: ChicagoConservative27

What is the scandal? I missed that part.


6 posted on 05/18/2018 5:45:48 AM PDT by Hyman Roth
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The problem here is that this has become a complicated story (maybe intentionally). Did the Russians conspire to convince people to vote a certain way? If they did...are we talking about more than the number of dead people that vote in each election? Did McCain involve himself into a fake fact campaign? Did McCain even know any facts? Did two fake intellectual/fake GOP consultants insert something into reality from Europe?

Did someone burrow themselves into the Trump campaign? Did it even matter?

Was Hillary really sick at the 9-11 Memorial? Did the FBI and DoJ create a fake conspiracy which led onto a fraudulent investigation?


7 posted on 05/18/2018 5:47:25 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Magnatron

They control the media, DoJ, and judiciary.
They are pretty confident that this won’t happen to them.


8 posted on 05/18/2018 5:54:32 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Watergate was a third rate break in to gather information on the presidential campaign's operation.

This is about a spy ring and clandestine operation which broke into the campaign and wouldn't leave for years, then even continued into the next seated administration. The Special Counsel is to run interference to protect their own.

9 posted on 05/18/2018 5:56:14 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Little Ray

when I see who wrote it, I don’t bother even reading it.

Wikipedia: Peter Baker: Prior to joining The New York Times in 2008, Baker was a reporter for 20 years at The Washington Post...
After being assigned as Jerusalem bureau chief for the Times he was, in December 2016, reassigned to the White House beat for the incoming Trump Administration...
Prior to joining The New York Times in 2008, Baker was a reporter for 20 years at The Washington Post
His wife (Susan Glasser) has been the editor at the Washington Post, editor-in-chief of Foreign Policy, and is currently the chief international affairs columnist at Politico.

Twitter: Peter Baker: Chief White House Correspondent for The New York Times and MSNBC analyst.

Tweet: Peter Baker: 17 May: “Bigger than Watergate?” Sure. But which side?...

replies:
Yvonne Williams:
LIAR!!!! Where are the facts?

Joseph Geshel:
The criminal side. Not Trump. No crime there. DNC? Yup. HRC? Yup. Comey?Yup. McCabe? Double yup. One year to find nothing? Manafort Ukraine? 11 years ago. Maybe. Not Trump. No Collusion. Could not have happened. Putin did meddling on his own...

William Masters:
Peter you’re a lying biased liberal ass if you think the Obama FBI & DOJ spying on Hillary’s political opponent Trump isn’t bigger than water gate. IG”s report when released will show all the illegal criminal activity of both Departments & Comey Brennan will start worrying...

Patricia Ann:
ATTEMPT AT COLLUSION”!! UTTERLY WEAK!
WHAT DO YOU CALL HILLARY’S DALLIANCES WITH STEELE, FUSION, & SIMPSON?

sameoldsameold:
I will bet that by the time the dust settles on the collusion story mainstream media will be in historically highest disapproval ratings. Dems can recover with new fresh faces, MSM is doomed to preach to a demoralized choir for a long time to come...

Col. Bad Bob:
You are somehow confused on who spied on whom?...

Mike L:
The New York Times is FAKE NEWS
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/997278940266991616


10 posted on 05/18/2018 5:57:46 AM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: son of terrence

If you mean Democratic Voters write Democratic Voters.


11 posted on 05/18/2018 5:58:53 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Yes, the hype is much bigger.


12 posted on 05/18/2018 5:58:54 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

If the NYT has to write a story acknowledging that Obama’s FBI and CIA might have engaged in crimes bigger than Watergate, the Dems have a problem. Even if the NYT tries to spin it with their “both sides” BS.


13 posted on 05/18/2018 6:02:10 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: bmwcyle

NYT floods the zone to obscure and protect Obongo’s gang. Something to behold, “the paper of record” nothing but Rat propaganda tool.


14 posted on 05/18/2018 6:03:16 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: ChicagoConservative27

DJT will surely be impeached if the Rats take the House.There’s no way in hell that the senate would vote “guilty” and he most assuredly will never resign.So he’ll either be voted out in 2020,or he’ll be term limited in 2024,or he’ll die in office.


15 posted on 05/18/2018 6:12:51 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
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To: Magnatron

Liberals aren’t capable of asking that question. In their eyes we are the racist, bigoted, homophobes and they are the people who care about everyone. Everything they do is justified by those standards.


16 posted on 05/18/2018 6:13:36 AM PDT by Honcho
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To: ChicagoConservative27

what scandals?

an aging whore looking for a big payoff?

I don’t even care if he knew her. he didn’t commit RAPE - like bill clinton.

other than that, what do they have? nothing but made up info to frame him.

AND HILLIARY GAVE THE ORDERS. She doesn’t seem to have complained at all that she paid $12 million and they gave her a fake ‘dossier’- it must be what she wanted.

She wanted them to make up dirt. What is that called?

Ad that’s the kind of evil piece of crap half the country voted for???


17 posted on 05/18/2018 6:14:26 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“Time to Stop Comparing CIA/FBI Coup Attempt to Watergate Nothing Like This Has Happened Before”

Nothing like this has happened before that we KNOW of...


18 posted on 05/18/2018 6:16:30 AM PDT by Princeton Drive Irregulars
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To: pepsionice

The real issue: did Obama politicize the DOJ, FBI, CIA, IRS to attack innocent citizens who had a political viewpoint he did not like?

The answer is a resounding yes.

Obama desecrated the Constitution.

They tried to frame the newly elected President for the crime of treason.

People have to be imprisoned, because these crimes are the worst in the history of our elections.


19 posted on 05/18/2018 6:17:03 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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To: Gay State Conservative
DJT will surely be impeached if the Rats take the House.

Impeached and then what Mike Pense? I don't think so and it's appearing high unlikely they will retake the House, gain seats sure, but not enough. We just had a flip from D to R in this district, does not portend well for the Dems. It's about the economy, and most folks can't and don't follow the deep state attempts at the Coup against DJT. Its for junkies here on FR other masochists. Let's not be crepe hangers or negative nellies.

20 posted on 05/18/2018 6:17:40 AM PDT by pburgh01 (Negan all the MSM)
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