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‘In all reality, there were three shooters.’ Oklahomans kill an active shooter
WaPo via MSN ^ | 7/13/18 | Frances Selllers, et al

Posted on 07/14/2018 2:42:48 AM PDT by T-Bird45

Juan Carlos Nazario was sitting on a lakeside bench waiting to play soccer when he heard the staccato popping of gunshots outside Louie’s On the Lake, a popular waterfront grill and pub. He ran to his car to get his gun and moved toward the sounds.

Bryan Whittle was driving with his wife, heading off for a Memorial Day weekend getaway, when he saw a commotion outside Louie’s. He thought someone might be drowning, so instead of turning his truck onto the highway, he barreled into the parking lot to offer help. As he jumped out, what he learned stunned him: There was an active shooter just yards away, and wounded victims were holed up in the restaurant’s bathroom.

Whittle, too, grabbed his gun.

In a matter of seconds, the two armed citizens became self-appointed protectors, moving to take up positions around the shooter, drawing their weapons and shouting for him to drop his. Time stretched and warped. There was an exchange of gunfire. The gunman was hit several times and fell. As Nazario and Whittle converged over the man to restrain him, police arrived. Unsure who was who, officers handcuffed all of the men and put them on the ground as the shooter bled out into the grass and died.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Miscellaneous; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: alinsky; armedcitizen; banglist; ccw; civilianshooters; gramsci; iloveahappyending; oklahoma; possecomitatus
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Extensive article with maps of the shooting site. For WaPo, a relatively reasonable article on good guys taking down a bad guy. Admittedly, bias is not hard to find in language and article structure but, as I said, not bad for the WaPo.
1 posted on 07/14/2018 2:42:48 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45

outstanding


2 posted on 07/14/2018 2:53:26 AM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: T-Bird45

Extensive article, but did I miss this? What did the first guy go nuts over to start this mess?


3 posted on 07/14/2018 3:04:56 AM PDT by pepsionice
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...For WaPo, a relatively reasonable article

Well, kinda. Had they not said this:

In a matter of seconds, the two armed citizens became self-appointed protectors,...

Their attempt to show vigilantism.

4 posted on 07/14/2018 3:09:59 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Boycott The NFL! Molon Labe! Oathkeeper)
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To: Road Warrior Β‘04

I don’t read it that way. Police couldn’t be there and they unflinchingly stepped into the breach. I think it is a positive thing.


5 posted on 07/14/2018 3:18:17 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: T-Bird45
In a matter of seconds, the two armed citizens became self-appointed protectors

When seconds count, the self-appointed protectors are there within seconds. The police, however....

6 posted on 07/14/2018 3:21:10 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: pepsionice

The gunman thought he was under attack by demonic transexuals. No joke. The gunman was known to police as a loony and somehow he still had access to a firearm.


7 posted on 07/14/2018 3:23:19 AM PDT by Ikeon ( you have the right to remain silent but, are you smart enough to?)
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To: T-Bird45

Those pushing gun control say it never happens.

Remember all the warnings about multiple defenders shooting each other, and the police getting in gun fights with them?

Here is a real world example, and none of the hypotheticals happened.

People who have made the decision to be unarmed, make up these hypotheticals as excuses to justify their decision.


8 posted on 07/14/2018 3:24:14 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Texas tower shooting in the 60’s, I think the guy that shot the sniper was a ex - navy guy deputized on the spot by a local Police officer.


9 posted on 07/14/2018 3:26:30 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Road Warrior Β‘04

Funny I read it as them being brave.


10 posted on 07/14/2018 3:30:24 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Road Warrior Β‘04

Self appointed executioners is what I would expect from them.


11 posted on 07/14/2018 3:31:49 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: pepsionice
What did the first guy go nuts over to start this mess?

I hope we never find out.

Our natural tendency to want to know why plays into the shooter’s desire for fame and notoriety. The shooter desperately wants to tell the whole World about his delusions and grievances. We should not accommodate him.

Ultimately, it is always some damn stupid nutball thing. There is never a satisfactory explanation. People died because the shooter was a crazy delusional jerk. The particulars don’t matter.

When I was learning to golf, whenever I would shank one into the woods, I would ask what I did wrong. My rather taciturn father would just say “Why do you want to know, do you want to do it again?” Often the search for what went wrong is counterproductive.

12 posted on 07/14/2018 3:48:56 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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BRAVO!!!

I like stories like this;)


13 posted on 07/14/2018 3:50:52 AM PDT by mabarker1 (congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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To: pepsionice

Happened over Memorial Day weekend so that might be how you missed it and it also didn’t fit the media narrative so it fell out of coverage pretty quickly. The first guy went nuts because he was nuts, period. It’s covered in the article how this guy was missed in various screenings, including a psychological exam required for taking a course and getting licensed as an armed security guard. If you’re familiar with psychological tests, it’s the MMPI - Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. Any glitches in the scoring gets you an interview with the psych.


14 posted on 07/14/2018 4:22:44 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: central_va

No. He was a State or local LEO.


15 posted on 07/14/2018 4:26:02 AM PDT by octex
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To: Ikeon
The gunman thought he was under attack by demonic transexuals. No joke.

To be fair to the looney with many transsexuals you have to wonder about demon possession ";^)

16 posted on 07/14/2018 4:33:32 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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Both men did what they believed was right, but that meant they had killed a man they did not know.

"but"? What is that supposed to convey to me sitting in my chair? That I have to limit my self-defense to my little town's wife-beaters and angry drunks and whatever faces I've seen on "Crime Watch"?

17 posted on 07/14/2018 4:34:18 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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The FBI examined 160 shootings between 2000 and 2013 and found that most of the violence ended when the assailant stopped shooting, committed suicide or fled. Unarmed citizens successfully restrained shooters in 21 of those incidents, according to the FBI. Two attacks stopped when off-duty officers shot and killed the attackers. Five ended in much the way the attack at Louie’s did — when armed civilians, mostly security guards, exchanged fire with the shooters.

I'm seeing zero out of 160 shootings that were stopped by on-duty law enforcement shooting the guy. Maybe some of the suicides are the guy shooting himself when he sees ten guns pointed at him, but that's another matter.

18 posted on 07/14/2018 4:41:56 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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“In a matter of SECONDS, the two armed citizens became self-appointed protectors,...”

When SECONDS count, the police are only minutes away.


19 posted on 07/14/2018 4:45:18 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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I read a significant amount of bias from the author. The tone throughout is that armed civilians, especially those of lesser experience with firearms, create an environment of confusion and uncertainty in situations such as these, where responses by LEOs in similar circumstances are usually the opposite. Basically, the author deviously suggests this was a rare situation where the two heroes were well-trained, an uncommon situation, and also lucky with regard to how it all played out, and that more often than not it won’t end so well.


20 posted on 07/14/2018 4:53:09 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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