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Hundreds of Millions of U.S. Guns are Unlicensed and Untraceable
Ammoland ^ | 21 August, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 08/27/2018 5:02:07 AM PDT by marktwain

Hundreds of Millions of U.S. Guns are Unlicensed and Untraceable

In the hysteria about 3D printed guns, the words “unlicensed and untraceable” are thrown about promiscuously and irresponsibly. They are used to imply disaster is upon us, that some new scary threshold has been breached.

They are scare tactics based on ignorance. Most of the 400 million plus firearms in the United States are unlicensed (unregistered) and untraceable.  It has been that way for decades, hundreds of years. It has not made a significant difference in the crime rate. It will not make a significant difference in the future. Separate from gun licensing, there are background checks at retail purchase for most guns in the United States. Only a few states require background checks on private sales of guns. Background checks do not make a difference.

The number of guns in a state do not predict homicide rates or violent crime.

“Unlicensed and untraceable” is scary only if you think most guns are “licensed (registered)” and that “traceability” has anything to do with preventing crime.

National registration of guns has been illegal for decades. Only a few authoritarian states require registration of firearms. Those states are California, Hawaii, Maryland, and New York. The registration schemes in Hawaii and California apply to all guns. The requirements for registration of long guns are fairly recent.  Most guns that were unregistered before registration was required remain unregistered, and are grandfathered in. New York required registration of handguns only. Recently they required registration of some semi-automatic rifles. The law has been ignored by over 80% of the people affected.

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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

“The second Amendment is a doctrine that tells the US government that they may not infringe on our God given right to protect our lives and property. “

I don’t think your interpretation is exactly right, either. I believe the government was formed for the specific purpose of protecting God given rights, not just not infringe on them.


61 posted on 08/27/2018 8:10:45 AM PDT by suthener (E)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

*Almost


62 posted on 08/27/2018 8:11:46 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: suthener

This.

I sometimes joke that if the Second Amendment was treated like the Fifth, the government would be obligated to issue weapons to those who couldn’t afford to buy them.


63 posted on 08/27/2018 8:13:25 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

The Government has caused Gun Segregation.

You keep the “Registered” ones in one place and the “Free” Guns in anther place. Kind of a back of the Bus kind of thing.


64 posted on 08/27/2018 8:13:54 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: suthener
Very respectfully, I'd have to disagree.

Our government was formed as protection against a tyrannical government and it is up to us as individuals, as communities, as a culture to protect the basic human rights bestowed upon every man by our Creator.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...

Our government was given a specific list of what it could NOT do as regards these rights. It was not given the duty to protect or regulate them.

Of course, that's my opinion as I read the founding documents.

65 posted on 08/27/2018 8:22:57 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Get in the Spirit! The Spirit of '76!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Anti-Tank,,,
Yeah, I settled for a Mattel.


66 posted on 08/27/2018 8:23:15 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY)
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To: marktwain; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; AZ .44 MAG; umgud; ...

RKBA Ping List


This Ping List is for all things pertaining to the 2nd Amendment.

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or deleted from the list.

More 2nd Amendment related articles on FR's Bang List.

67 posted on 08/27/2018 8:29:46 AM PDT by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for Totalitarian)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

“That to secure these rights,”

What do you think that means?


68 posted on 08/27/2018 8:30:28 AM PDT by suthener (E)
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To: heshtesh

Unlicensed and untraceable, thus guaranteeing our liberties and rights from an over reaching oppressive state which dreams of excising each from our lives.


69 posted on 08/27/2018 8:48:20 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: marktwain; PROCON

And the reason? We still don’t have a wall. We still have Cheap Labor Express, Globalist, Open-Borders @sshats in power in Congress. It will soon be:

“Hundreds of millions of [foreign invaders] in the United States are unlicensed and untraceable...”

As for me and mine? We’re ready for it.


70 posted on 08/27/2018 8:59:04 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

That’s the one!

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71 posted on 08/27/2018 9:11:06 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Big Red Badger

Yeah, I had all those Toy Implements of War.

Remember the Monkey Gun? No way that would ever get sold today without some SJW calling it Racist.


72 posted on 08/27/2018 9:15:13 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: Scrambler Bob

Do you know if somebody who moves into California must declare his firearms collection?


73 posted on 08/27/2018 9:18:06 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It rubs the rainbow on it's skin or it gets the diversity again!")
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To: Kickass Conservative

No, I dont remember a time when Americans were truly free. I was born in 1958, far too late to be a truly free American. I was born into a world where “driving is a priviledge” and you cold not drive without a license. I was born into a world where income tax non_payment meant jail time. I was born into a world where the government could take your home away if you refused to pay yor property tax.

I realize we are far less free today, with no privacy, but no I cannot “remember” a time when Americans were truly free, since I was born long after.

Certainly we were not truly free n 1968 when draconian gun control was passed. We were not truly free in 1913 when the income tax was assed and the Federal Reserve bank created. We were not truly fee after the 1887 Interstate Commerce Act was passed.

I suspect we stopped being truly free sometime before the the War Between the States, when the 10th Amendment was killed off. I would go so far as to say Americans have not been truly free since the Whiskey Rebellion, when the government illegally taxedwhiskey in 1791.

Seeing as how we became a nation in 1781 with the Articles of Confederation, I would say Americans were truly free for only about 10 years. So no, I dont remember those days. Big government wasted NO time in beginning to oppress Americans, it has just gotten progressively worse, until we are close to totalitarian dictatorship today. We have almost never been truly free. Governments cant stand a Free people. Not even George Washington, who I love and respect as being the best of the lot.


74 posted on 08/27/2018 9:56:04 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (End the Mueller Gestapo now. Free the Donald.)
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To: Gen.Blather
Some states like New York, California, and elsewhere, require you to register every gun you own with the state.

It makes it easier to confiscate them

75 posted on 08/27/2018 10:02:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It rubs the rainbow on it's skin or it gets the diversity again!")
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To: PapaBear3625

“Some states like New York,”

I was talking to a company owner and real-estate developer who had relocated from New York to Florida. He move his huge business from New York, not because of taxes, but because he decided that one day they’d come get his gun collection.

Their loss.


76 posted on 08/27/2018 10:09:04 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: marktwain
Only a few authoritarian states require registration of firearms. Those states are California, Hawaii, Maryland, and New York.

I was about to ask why you left New Jersey off the list, but instead searched NJ gun registration. This document came up at the top of the list:

STATE OF NEW JERSEY VOLUNTARY FORM OF FIREARMS REGISTRATION (To register a firearm, all questions must be answered) This is a three-part form Type or press firmly with ball point pen If internet form, make & sign three copies.

So, registration is voluntary! BUT (and it's a big but) to legally purchase a firearm in NJ you must apply for and be issued a permit to purchase. If that ain't registration, what is?

77 posted on 08/27/2018 10:43:40 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: rktman
Registration, licensing and CCW permitting are, to me, all infringements. Is it just me? 🤔🍿🍻🇺🇸

Nope. Not just you- I've preached that for 40 years. And pro second amendment groups take our money in donations but do not mount any serious legal challenge to the infringements.

78 posted on 08/27/2018 10:51:25 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

As I read this post,
I’m thinking of Expanding those Rights,
Of course Returning to the
Original Intent is the Battle Now.


79 posted on 08/27/2018 11:11:47 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Kind of a back of the Bus kind of thing.
= = =

Well there a lot of “Gun Racists” in CA. Doing just what you say.


80 posted on 08/27/2018 11:12:38 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You know that I am full of /S)
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