Posted on 02/05/2019 2:57:54 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Who in their right mind does not understand that in commerce you the individual is just as much a product to be sold as a toaster oven, and much more so. A whole life of metadata backed up with health records and genetic mapped data.
When facebook was new I was not interested. Later a guy from the local chess club talked me into joining. But I didn’t use my actual DOB, and about a year later FB would not let me log on because I refused to send an image of my drivers license or passport. They can’t make money selling bogus data.
“Should we ban all evidence?”
Nope. The problem is prosecution doesn’t provide all the facts nor does the jury understand it, and many lawyers for that matter. See the link in post 39.
Prosecutors love to throw out that “one in a billion” type number which pretty much nails a conviction, as in one of the cases in the paper where the guy actually had a good alibi.
Juries will dismiss other evidence because they believe, as many do, in the infallibility of DNA testing.
And proving innocent is not quite so simple when you consider there may be limited amount of sample for comparison (such that you can’t do a retest) and you might not actually have a lawyer willing to front the bill for a retest for you if they do. The proving innocent process can take a decade.
So having your DNA generally available is sort of like having your picture in that lineup photo book the cops show victims. The odds of you getting a false conviction are much higher than that of someone who’s DNA is not available.
You can’t win if you don’t play.
I’m tempted to do one of these test with someone else’s DNA as mine, just to get crap data into the system.
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Oops, lying to the FBI
this is the farce known as Hippa.....everybody and their brother can know your medical history and every single lab test, xray, procedure you have done plus all of your meds but don't you dare ask about your adult son or daughter.
Once you give up data, there’s no way to seal it up. For every virtuous cure they can do, they have 99 other nasty surprises you din’t anticipate. I like the concept but there are no safeguards to your privacy which can be devastating to your progeny from now on.
You are missing the point. People like Roger Stone are getting arrested and bankrupted for political reasons. We don't need this nation to continue on the road to a police state.
fruser1 wrote: “Nope. The problem is prosecution doesn’t provide all the facts nor does the jury understand it, and many lawyers for that matter. See the link in post 39.”
Since there will always be unethical prosecutors, then, what?
“So having your DNA generally available is sort of like having your picture in that lineup photo book the cops show victims. The odds of you getting a false conviction are much higher than that of someone who’s DNA is not available.”
Very poor analogy. The odds on a false conviction based upon a police lineup are not comparable to the odds of a false conviction based upon DNA evidence.
Sounds like grounds for a Fourth Amendment lawsuit.
What’s the problem?
The FBI is just part of the Family and they already know more about you than your Mother does.
The problem is, you don’t really know much about the FBI. They are like that Black Sheep Uncle nobody ever talks about.
And they (fbi/doj/etc) want even more power.
Or doctors, medical clinics, hospitals... that would be quite easy to get patients to cooperate “for their health record.”
I am a customer. Are you? If you are, then you would know that you have to opt in to share any of your information, not the other way around as you suggest.
One reason that law enforcement submit DNA samples to them is that they have their own lab, unlike the other major DNA companies who farm out their testing. They are just marketing their services. Therefore, test samples have a chain of custody.
Oh, you mean like the Military has been doing since Dec. 2002?
Every time there's a DNA thread, someone suggests that.
The DNA labs just say, "Another dumb ass wasted their money," then throw it out.
“Suppose your 3rd cousin, that you didn’t know existed, was accused of rape, police took a dna sample, and you got a dna kit as a birthday present.”
You might have helped put a rapist behind bars and found out about your ancestry and DNA.
Win Win Win.
“Very poor analogy. “
Witnesses have often misidentified folks because someone in the lineup book looked like the attacker. That’s exactly the case in this kind of DNA evidence. The only thing a positive test result guarantees is that there was a positive test result! It doesn’t mean the DNA “matches” literally. So, if the cops think the DNA “looks like you”, they come a knocking, and that conclusion may be just as fallible as a mistaken lineup photo if not more so.
Part of the problem is how evidence is presented and weighed in relation to other evidence. The problem here is you’ve got potentially flimsy evidence that will be taken as gospel. A prosecutor does not have to be unethical, they only have to be ignorant of the technicalities.
I’d only put the family dna test about one small notch higher than hearsay, as far as “evidence” goes.
I am not a customer, but did you read this release from familytreedna?
“obtains the same access as every other customer? “
Because those other customers don’t have the capability of sending you to the gas chamber.
I read it, and I checked my account settings. The default setting is “opt out”, you must select “opt in” change the settings.
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