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India confirms loss of MiG-21 in Pakistan skirmish
FlightGlobal ^ | 27 February, 2019 | Dominic Perry

Posted on 02/27/2019 5:25:10 AM PST by Freeport

India's foreign ministry has confirmed that one of its air force's Mikoyan MiG-21 fighters has been shot down amid escalating tensions with its neighbour, Pakistan.

In a televised statement, a foreign ministry official said Pakistan had launched an incursion into Indian airspace "targeting military installations" in the disputed region of Kashmir on 27 February.

"But due to our high state of readiness and alertness, Pakistan's attempts were foiled successfully. The Pakistan air force was detected and the Indian air force responded immediately."

During the aerial engagement that followed, one aircraft from each side was shot down, the official says.

"The Pakistani aircraft was seen by ground forces falling from the sky on the Pakistan side [of the border]," he says.

Pakistan claims to have captured the Indian pilot – identified on social media as Wing Commander Abhi Nandan – and to have also shot down another aircraft.

New Delhi is "still ascertaining the facts" in the case, the foreign ministry official says.

Islamabad's action was a retaliation for air strikes conducted the previous day by India against alleged militant training camps on the Pakistani side of the border.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; balakot; china; india; indiapakistan; jaishemohammed; kashmir; pakistan; pulwama; sidebarabuse; terrorists; waronterror
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To: Vaquero

Nuclear war is not likely. Pakistan had to acquire nukes to counteract the bigger military of India and after India went nuclear in 1974. The Mullah’s are crazy but not suicidal. Have you ever seen a Mullah wearing suicide belt? Nope, they send brainwashed youngsters instead.


61 posted on 02/27/2019 9:15:21 PM PST by entropy12 (Legal immigrants under chain migration not any better than illegal immigrants! Merit ONLY!!)
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To: donozark

Might as well use a MiG 21 as anything new. Most third world countries air wars are really just a variant of WWI in fast jets.

They don’t really operate in the coordinated and disciplined way a US or Israeli force would.
A classic example of this was the Iranian F-14s against Iraq. Those battles were swirling dogfights, all guns, all daytime, always.

So if you are stuck in 1965 tactics wise and tech wise, you might as well be in a MiG 21 as anything else.


62 posted on 02/27/2019 10:16:58 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: PAR35

” Maybe we can sell India some F-104s as replacements.”

It’s been done. In 1965 we gave a bunch of F-104s to Pakistan ( apparently we kinda have a problem in that regard ). One shot down a much older Indian plane in the first kill by a Mach 2 plane.

We loves us some Pakis always have. It’s a sicko thing.


63 posted on 02/27/2019 10:30:02 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: miliantnutcase

“Yeah how does an F-16 get shot down by a 50 year old Mig?

Read about Vietnam pilots fighting them in much more modern Phantoms. The MiG 21 is a very small and hard to see aircraft, it’s extremely fast and maneuverable within it’s envelope. Armed with cannons and the Russian knock off Sidewinder.

It shouldn’t shoot down an F-16...if the 16 pilot doesn’t get complacent or cocky.


64 posted on 02/27/2019 10:34:05 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: miliantnutcase

“Yeah how does an F-16 get shot down by a 50 year old Mig?

Read about Vietnam pilots fighting them in much more modern Phantoms. The MiG 21 is a very small and hard to see aircraft, it’s extremely fast and maneuverable within it’s envelope. Armed with cannons and the Russian knock off Sidewinder.

It shouldn’t shoot down an F-16...if the 16 pilot doesn’t get complacent or cocky.


65 posted on 02/27/2019 10:34:10 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: donozark

#8. Why not use MIG 21’s. They were a good plane, esp. if they had good pilots and missiles.

We had A1E Skyraiders shoot down MIG 21’s in Vietnam. The pilots put on their air brakes and the MIGS shot right past them, getting an American missile up their ass.


66 posted on 02/28/2019 12:19:07 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (with)
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To: American in Israel

Not fun having Muslim neighbors.
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President Bush: Islam is the religion of peace and tolerance.


67 posted on 02/28/2019 1:11:41 AM PST by granada
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To: Freeport

Wow, they still use MiG-21s?

That’s an old airframe...


68 posted on 02/28/2019 6:17:26 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Freeport

Both got nukes!!!


69 posted on 02/28/2019 2:04:47 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Russia and Putin didn't make me vote for Trump, HILLARY DID!!!)
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To: allendale

BTTT.


70 posted on 02/28/2019 4:52:32 PM PST by OddLane
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To: Dagnabitt
They hunt and butcher the saints like animals.

80% or more of the women are abused because it's ruled by the dogma of a dead man who's burning in Hell.

They manufacture terrorists like Israel manufactures computer chips or Belgium chocolate.

If they weren't a satellite of China they'd probably starve to death.

Pakistan is an utterly worthless nation that should have never existed.

71 posted on 02/28/2019 4:55:25 PM PST by OddLane
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To: Chode
$&!t I got this all freaking screwed up!!! The Mig21 splashed the F-16... Sorry Sir😟
72 posted on 02/28/2019 9:19:30 PM PST by mabarker1 (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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To: utax

I always enjoyed seeing the Paki manager of a nearby mini-mart. You could count on a friendly greeting, a winning smile, and being short-changed.


73 posted on 02/28/2019 9:23:40 PM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: drop 50 and fire for effect; Chode; Squantos; Lockbox; carriage_hill; SkyDancer; All

90 Mirage 5
90 Mirage III
139 Chengdu J-7 (Chinese Mig 21 Copy)
100 JF-17 Thunder
45 F-16 Fighting Falcon
230 Su-30
69 MiG-29
57 Mirage 2000
139 SEPECAT Jaguar
85 MiG-27
125 MiG-21

Do the two of them have enough Fuel, Spares, Munitions, Oil, 8 Inch Floppies already Formated in Russian Linex, Windex, Lemon Pledge, Glade Plug-ins and Air Filters to keep all those things Operational ?


74 posted on 02/28/2019 9:43:56 PM PST by mabarker1 (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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To: central_va

Yes. They’re called the other MiG-21s’ they own.

CC


75 posted on 02/28/2019 10:07:38 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: DesertRhino

“So if you are stuck in 1965 tactics wise and tech wise, you might as well be in a MiG 21 as anything else.”

I very much agree. The PAC JF-17 Thunder, an updated version of the Mig-21, ought to be the sensible choice for many third world air forces rather then wasting big bucks on a front line aircraft they cannot maintain properly nor fully utilize the plane’s capabilities.


76 posted on 03/01/2019 5:43:54 PM PST by Armscor38
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To: granada
What irks me is how Obama took credit for taking out Bin Laden but not a peep about Pakistan harboring him, youd think there would at least have been a little collateral payback, but no, instead he packe seal team six on a limping duck and sent them in to a fish barrel .....

the whole Pakistan thing is a mystery , seems like they should be beat back into submission by a US backed coalition air hammering

77 posted on 03/01/2019 7:00:50 PM PST by KTM rider ( .......than to post and , eveidence was wiped outall doubt)
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To: dp0622

These two countries seem to have some sort of skirmish on a semi regular basis.
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Actually China also claims territory in India, and has engaged in “incidents” along its border with India.


78 posted on 03/02/2019 4:24:53 PM PST by Yulee
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To: papertyger

a training facility?
*****
A training faciity for terrorists that had attacked India Kasmier the day before.


79 posted on 03/02/2019 4:29:03 PM PST by Yulee
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To: Thud

The MiG 21 shot down a Pakistani F16 before it went down.

The Indian versions of these have been upgraded.

https://www.financialexpress.com/defence/pakistani-f-16-was-shot-down-by-an-iaf-mig-21-bison-aircraft/1502667/


80 posted on 03/02/2019 5:45:02 PM PST by TexasGurl24
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