Posted on 08/13/2019 2:29:56 AM PDT by marktwain
At about 4:10 p.m. on 8 August 2019, Dmitriy Andreychenco walked into the Walmart Neighborhood Market in Springfield, Missouri. He had a slung AR-type rifle and was wearing a T-shirt and tactical vest. He obtained a shopping cart and was videoing himself on a cell phone while pushing the cart through the store. He did not threaten anyone, point the rifle at anyone, or make any threats that are known at this time.
A manager at the store pulled the store alarm, causing a panic while customers evacuated the store. Dmitriy evacuated with the other customers. As he left the store, a firefighter with a concealed carry permit, who was armed, drew his pistol and held Dmitriy for police. In the video from outside the store, you can see that Dmitri was calmly complying with police orders. Look at his black t-shirt. I do not see any evidence of body armor being worn.
He is wearing some sort of web gear, which it appears, the media denoted as “body armor.” Identification of web gear as body armor has been common in the media.
Open carry is legal in Missouri. It has been hard fought for. Opponents of an armed population have worked hard to characterize open carry as threatening. The last few days of a media blitz on the rampage murders in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, have put the country on edge. The message has been that every young white male is a deadly threat. The manager at Walmart seems to have bought into the message.
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The CCW holder was IN THE WRONG.
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I agree but don’t think he will ever get charged or convicted of anything...BUT he was ‘imprisoning’ the gentleman etc.
I know it is EASY to sit here- after the situation - and tell everyone how THEY should have acted, but my ‘scenario’ of such an event would be if when I first spotted him entering the store and he was in a NON THREATENING MANNER (though several believe that HE was/is threatening by showing up) and kept his hands in view I may lag back and make sure he has no ‘friends’ coming in behind him...as far as ‘me’, he had no danger of getting shot UNTIL he would have shown an aggressive (more aggressive than ‘legally’ walking around with a rifle) demeanor.
I would even be reluctant to draw my weapon as the police (who did arrive rather swiftly) are looking for a gunman -any gunman - and things can so south swiftly if one is standing there pointing out where the ‘idiot’ is and holding a gun.
Fools like this - right or wrong - just make it ‘tougher’ on the rest of us because I can see stores really start posting ‘no gun signs’ so as to cover themselves.
Which eventually comes back to bite a legal CCW carrier BUT, like I say, it is called concealed for a reason.
As to the store managers actions, he probably did the correct thing if for no other reason than had the guy been up to ‘no good’ the manager would be in deep kimchi for not ‘doing anything’.
I carry and have carried on a daily basis since I stopped consuming alcohol (about 30 years) and have never had to draw. I am so used to carrying that I don’t even ‘realize’ I have it but like the man says..
TWO things in life that you will probably never need but should always have available are a Gun and a Parachute.
Chances are if you need either once and do not have, you probably won’t be given a ‘second chance’.
Dmitriy was carrying his rifle because of all the idiots that are potential threats these days. Nothing wrong with wanting to protect himself and possibly other innocent folks. Good for you Dmitriy. I carry a hand gun in Walmart but considering the bad actors may be armed with an AR/AK maybe we should reconsider the choice of defensive weapons.
His wife and his sister, both of whom hunt, told him it was a stupid idea...and they were right.
He was clowning around with our 2nd amendment rights and Walmart’s property rights and he could have gotten himself shot by another well-meaning armed person with a similar level of judgement who would then face homicide charges for reasonably assuming a man who took pains to fit the common perception of a shooter actually was a shooter ... He also risked leaving his pregnant wife a widow on what amounts to a lark, and he was very lucky that in the commotion the fireman who detained him was calm and situationally aware and had better sense than he.
Just because you can do a thing, doesn’t mean you should.
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Kind of like street crossers and ‘jaywalkers’....
WE have to stop if they are in a crosswalk but it doesn’t give us a ‘right’ to speed up and run them down if not in the crosswalk.
Just because you may be ‘right’ doesn’t mean you aren’t or can’t be wrong.
In Israel, open carry of slung rifles is common. The problem is our "current environment", which is becoming exactly what the left wants...knee-jerk anti-gun. The fool store manager who pulled the fire alarm is more to blame than the person acting in full obedience of the law.
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It is now known that Dmitriy posed no threat and was open carrying the rifle. It was not pointed at anyone, nor was any threat verbalized.
It was the manager that caused a panic by ordering an alarm pulled.
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IOW, it was the Mgr. that was ‘screaming fire in a movie theater’.
Course, that point would go over most Leftists’ heads...
So, does he, or the store/insurance, get to pay for the false alarm\police\fire response & Dmitriy’s ‘pain & suffering’??
...could not agree more....! a few days ago, a young fellow was seen in our neighborhood with a shotgun slung over his shoulder. Scared the “you-know-what” out of the neighbors and they called the local police, who did come and speak with this fellow. His shotgun was unloaded; but nonetheless he caused a lot of anxiety in the neighborhood. When questioned about this, the police responded that they really could not do anything; he has a right to open-carry this gun. Again, a self-serving kid or a potential shooter...??
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“in such a way that the actual and reasonably foreseeable effect is to undermine generalized political support for the Second Amendment is no genuine friend of the Second Amendment.”
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So, now, some think it best to just allow our Rights to be trampled & un(der)utilized ‘cuz of snowflakes a/o sheeple??
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Well stated. Given the current environment, what is the difference between what this guy did and yelling fire in a crowded theater?
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And this is SUPPORTED??
How is this different? The MANAGER “yelled fire”.
Something about chains laying lightly...
He should have tried harder to get shot and showed up with a deep tan , a turban, and shouting “Allahu Ackbar” to test everyone’s tolerance level for his 1st & 2nd amendment rights.
In the absence of any direct indication of intent to murder innocents, killing the man simply for openly carrying a slung rifle where such behavior is legal would itself have been murder. That's clear enough. But would a jury convict someone who had gunned down the young man? Would a prosecutor have even filed charges? These are interesting questions to which I'd rather not have the answers. -_-
Now, we'll discover what happens when a fuzzy charge of "making a terroristic threat" meets a basic civil right. What was that old maxim about hard cases making bad law -- or bad precedents? Nothing good can come out of this. o_o
They did not identify themselves as a gun-free store. If they had then the CCW person who drew down on Andreychenco would have been just as guilty of breaking the law.
If hello how are you doing from the police is too much contact...well some of the later responses in the thread are pretty clear.
You're not talking about "Hello, how are you." You're talking about the police stopping someone who was not violating the law and interrogating them as to their intent, which is what you wanted. This is not supposed to be a police state. Not yet anyway.
Maybe. If his sister had aided him as he requested, she would have been videoing him and following him.
That would have made it pretty clear he was not a threat.
Honestly, given the fact that a deadly shooting had just occurred at a Walmart, this guy should have switched a few of his brain cells on.
He’s sort of lucky a SWAT team did not take him down with a head shot.
I’ll probably drive some of the 2A folks on here a bit mad over their “God Given Right”. Which was given to them by the folks that wrote the Constitution based on their Judeo-Christian beliefs and their desire to make sure no government can forcibly impose its will on the people, as the King did.
I got quite a few guns. Have quite a bit of ammo. No problem buying more of each, intend to do so when I get back to the US. I’m a huge supporter of the 2A. I think the NFA is absolutely ridiculous, as it doesn’t really prevent ownership of anything, just makes it more expensive so the ATF can pocket $200 every time someone fills out a Form 4.
However, I am not a fan of Open Carry. That might go back to the days when I was a detective, not sure. But, no one looks like more of a clown than the guy in the grocery store, buying some cereal, letting the world know that he’s got a pistol.
But, I’m just a nobody. Maybe a F.A.G., Former Action Guy, from our nations most elite unit sums it up better... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6HpUi_oc9U
I’ve taken a class with the man. One of the most laid back guys I’ve ever met in the gun/shooting world, but has a resume that can be made into an action movie(and has). And can handle a rifle and pistol like nobody’s business.
Some police departments try to get around open carry by making arrests for disturbing the peace. Usually I am against such arrests but this guy was trying to provoke panic and was truly disturbing the peace.
Guessing he will be forever trespassed from Walmart stores nationwide.
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