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1 posted on 12/09/2019 5:41:05 PM PST by karpov
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Donald Trump is not Richard Jewell.


2 posted on 12/09/2019 5:43:12 PM PST by henkster
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Local Portland news said there was nothing wrong with why the FIB conducted their investigation but there were some minor infraction in their investigation.


3 posted on 12/09/2019 5:43:59 PM PST by Cold Heart (.)
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Traitor Roberts remains mute wrt HIS FISA Court?


4 posted on 12/09/2019 5:45:24 PM PST by Paladin2
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Did you happen to notice that Steele claims he was “favorably deposed” to Trump because he (Steele) had a close personal relationship with a member of the family? One of the networks is reporting it’s Ivanka (Yael) Kushner. See page 128.


6 posted on 12/09/2019 5:47:07 PM PST by Blurb2350
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Can I file deceptive and unsubstantiated documents before a court? Any court?

Nope. Straight to jail.

I think the FIB will be spending the next ten years sorting out and investigating common folks who have threatened politicians, judges, and appointed government thugs. We're not going to hear much, but we know it's real.

8 posted on 12/09/2019 5:52:45 PM PST by blackdog
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Definition of perjury

: the voluntary violation of an oath or vow either by swearing to what is untrue or by omission to do what has been promised under oath : false swearing

So when do we see the perp walk?


9 posted on 12/09/2019 5:57:24 PM PST by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt - dad's wisdom)
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Is the FBI under the domain of the “Intelligence Community”?

Specifically, can the ICIG, Horowitcz, require current FBI personnel to answer his questions?


10 posted on 12/09/2019 5:58:34 PM PST by budj (combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations)
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Inspector Generals are like the human resource arm of a company.

Human resource divisions are not there to help employees but to help the company that they work for.

Human resource departments take care of problems and protect companies!

Inspector Generals can be said to work for the same reasons.

If there’s a way to say that the department didn’t violate the policy or law .. that is what they will do.

Words like bad behavior and errors in judgment are used to describe the actions of rouge, (aka disposable employees) and are not a true representation of the agency itself.

Now that that is out of the way, let's take a look at some reasons for why this report is very limited in scope.

The Inspector General has said that he was looking into the surveillance of a certain person which we now know is Carter Page.

The problem is ... Carter Page was just one of Trump's campaign associates that was spied on.
(One area where Durham and Barr will dig further into)

The Inspector General is inhibited from speaking to anyone not working at the Department of Justice at the time of his questioning.

If they’ve retired or been fired, he can’t force them to cooperate.
(Think: James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page Et al)

And let's not forget Kevin Clinesmith!
Clinesmith became infamous for his viva le resistance, (to Trump) while investigating the Clinton email fiasco.

The same Clinesmith who was forced off of the Mueller Trump/Russian 'collusion' investigation after text messages showing his dislike/hatred of Trump were exposed.

If they work at a different agency or department the situation is the same and they can't be forced to cooperate with the investigation.

So now, you have an IG report with a lot of words with very little substance!

If you have followed the Investigation into Trump from the beginning you know that there were numerous 'agencies' with their hand in the Russian Collusion fiasco and most especially ... the Steele Dossier.

The dossier that was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC.

The dossier was doled out by a number of agencies along with the DOJ and FBI!
(Again, those agencies cannot be compelled to give testimony)

Remember how 'upset' the democrats became when they learned of Bill Barr's appointment as Attorney General?

I believe that they were 'upset' because they had reason to believe that he (Barr) would appoint a Special Prosecutor to head up a real and in-depth investigation, regardless of where it led!
(The Special Prosecutor can compel testimony from outside the agency.)

He did just that!

The Department of Justice has revealed that the probe led by federal prosecutor John Durham has become a criminal investigation due to the wrongdoing it has found.

And Finally ...


How it all began:

========================================

These are but a few of the people that the IG didn't interview.
(If I read the rules of engagement correctly)

I'd say that the report could have looked quite different if they had been interrogated!

Peter Strzok, former deputy chief of counterintelligence
FIRED

Andrew McCabe, former FBI deputy director
FIRED

Lisa Page, former counsel to McCabe
RESIGNED

James Baker, former FBI general counsel
RESIGNED

Bill Priestap, former chief of counterintelligence
RETIRED

James Comey, former FBI director
FIRED

Bruce Ohr, former associate deputy attorney general
REASSIGNED

Christopher Steele, former FBI confidential human source
Steele has never been an FBI employee, but a former British spy
13 posted on 12/09/2019 6:15:46 PM PST by justme4now (Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it)
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If they deceived the Judges, that means they did it deliberately. So what other reason would you have to deliberately deceive the Court, in order to get FISA warrants approved, than the fact that you have a bias against the person/persons you want to surveil?


14 posted on 12/09/2019 6:25:03 PM PST by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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What you are going to see from the MSM:

“Exoneration of the FBI and FISA surveillance of Trump.”


16 posted on 12/09/2019 6:39:45 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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"I'm not saying no one's going to jail over this, but..."

“...no one's going to jail over this."

21 posted on 12/09/2019 6:51:25 PM PST by moovova
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So why did the ‘chicken chit’ write the report the way he did, you chicken chit?


22 posted on 12/09/2019 7:24:17 PM PST by ldish (Have had enough...you??????)
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26 posted on 12/09/2019 8:39:09 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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Yeah, found no bias.

Maybe should check the definition of bias:

bias (noun

1. A particular tendency, trend, inclination, feeling, or opinion, especially one that is preconceived or unreasoned.

2. Unreasonably hostile feelings or opinions about a social group; prejudice.

3. An oblique or diagonal line of direction, especially across a woven fabric.

4. Statistics. a systematic as opposed to a random distortion of a statistic as a result of sampling procedure.

So let see,

Mueller collusion investigation found about 24,565 errors.

Errors that benefited Trump: 0

Errors which were detrimental to Trump: 24,565

Horowitz FISA investigation found 17 errors.

Errors that benefited Trump: 0

Errors which were detrimental to Trump: 17

Clinton e-mail investigation found 14,365,972 errors.

Errors that benefited Clinton: 14,365,972

Errors which were detrimental to Clinton: 0

Statistically falls in the normal range. Nothing to see here.


27 posted on 12/09/2019 8:44:51 PM PST by MCSETots
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I wish to record a comment and this thread seems as good a place as any.

I see a commonality between the actions of Comey and the Horowitz report.

Comey had the audacity to appear before the nation and outline clearly why Hillary should be charged with a crime. Then he stated falsely that no prosecutor would bring such a case. There is a similarity with what Horowitz has done. Horowitz seems to have presented very clearly how the Justice Department and the FBI managed their conspiracy by "omissions" and "mistakes".

We can only hope that Barr and Durham will be the prosecutors who know a conspiracy when they see one.

28 posted on 12/09/2019 10:18:00 PM PST by William Tell
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Crossfire Hurricane vis a vis the FISA warrant was used as the basis for the Mueller witch hunt.

Where the hell is Rod Rosenstein?


30 posted on 12/10/2019 7:34:25 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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