Posted on 04/08/2020 5:01:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
See post 18.....
Oh - and they are very easy to perform. Not much different than a home pregnancy test. Only difference is using blood instead of urine.
Thanks
What do you mean, there is zero data supporting "this"? "This" meaning COVID might have been around before we really knew about it?
The antibody testing can give you this data.
This meaning there's no proof that having an antibody to a virus makes one immune?
If that is the case why is anyone bothering with treatment with convalescent plasma?
I'm not sure I'm getting your point.
“This” is the idea that “most people don’t know they have it” and “lots of people have herd immunity”. PROPER antibody testing “can” give you data...but just suppose that, once the data comes in that there IS currently no “herd immunity”, and no, there IS no large population that has had the virus without symptoms.
And I would want to know a LOT more about the false negative rate of the test.
I’m just sick and tired of rampant speculation over and over and over and over.
I just sent this to the president.
“My son and I drove 17 miles to pick up “Swagat India House” Indian food to go today. Curtains were. Closed, phone 5137xxxxxx, rang a fast busy. Out of business. Lovely young couple made the best food with the brightest smile. Erstwhile, Birx and Fauci two their ling on this very successfully executed virus intended to get you out of office...Fauci there with his models, Gates relationship, Birx, with their huge salaries, getting paid to destroy our country. And Fauci, signaling buddy John Karl.
How long will you let this nefarious charade continue? Silent majority has your back . Take the reigns, please and kick them out. We picked up Indian food at our 2nd favorite...the owner? He agreed with me this is fake, as do many of his friends.”
If there is no large population that has had the virus without symptoms, then the infection rate is very low and not quite as dangerous.
But we're not really talking out NO SYMPTOMS are we? The tests for the virus were only performed on a limited amount of people with a specific group of symptoms AND having traveled abroad. If anyone presented with one or two of the designated symptoms but hadn't traveled abroad, they would not be tested. Once you develop immunity and recover, the virus will no longer be detected. The only way to know if you were infected is to test for the specific antibody to the virus. In other words, testing for the virus itself is a snapshot in time. Testing for antibodies is a retrospective video of the episode.
And I would want to know a LOT more about the false negative rate of the test.
As I've said before, the test has already been approved by the FDA. The testing method is one that has been used for years for detection of other viral antibodies. It can't be any worse than the rushed, cumbersome PCR testing for the virus itself.
I’m just sick and tired of rampant speculation over and over and over and over.
Then go sit in your basement with your toilet paper and let the rest of us get back to living. Nobody is forcing you to get tested, but a lot of people are fixing to force a lot of us to get a worthless vaccine that is being rushed into production without the requisite safety testing and double blind studies.
I'm getting tested as soon as I can. If I'm not immune, too bad for me. If I am immune then please leave me in peace.
Exactly.
they're giddy with the power and the idea that the American public is so easily lead....
isolate the vulnerable....not the public...
I’m getting tested as soon as I can. If I’m not immune, too bad for me. If I am immune then please leave me in peace.
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Agree.
There _was_ a flu-like illness going around here last winter. Yet, this county has 0 *confirmed* cases.
A friend whom I’ve not seen in person for months and DH hasn’t seen in 3 weeks, had *something* last week. Could have been COVID. He’s medically trained as a vet and was a Ranger medic. DH & I have had extremely low-grade symptoms off and on for 3 weeks. Mostly extreme fatigue. I prefer cool temperatures and yet, was always chilled (not shaking chills). No fever, but intermittent *hot flashes* (I’m 77). Some lower GI distress for me, not for my husband. We are rarely ill, so this stood out. IDK. We’re better, now.
Today we had to travel 50 miles to view a property. Stopped in the area grocery store. Saw 2 people with masks. Store relatively busy and well-stocked. Store reeked of alcohol and sanitizer. No one seemed distressed.
Comment from realtor was something I hear a lot:”This is just so crazy.”
“...a worthless vaccine that is being rushed into production without the requisite safety testing and double blind studies.”
It’s just unreal: HCQ is 50+ years old, has a growing weight of anecdotal and clinical evidence, but we can’t use it because there are no double blind studies.
Now, after all the fervor over ventilators, it turns out ventilators may be killing people.
Oh, and add to that that the Chinese (who have little credibility) are now saying that people are NOT exhibiting antibodies and may _not_ have immunity after recovery.
It is also completely speculation that it has not gone on.
The lizards who think they run the world would love to make you get a chip to prove your antibody status, and start requiring the chip to freely travel or go back to work. They’d love that but they won’t get it, this time.
Hillary was supposed to be POTUS when this virus was released, and it was to be the instrumentality for getting the chip in most people. But they gave up on that plan after failing to knock Trump out in the first couple of years, and decided to deploy the virus as a revenue operation. Lots of money to be made by shorting the market and capturing stimulus spending.
They won’t have long to enjoy the money, if God is good.
Immune for the time being, probably, but probably not later.
Again....THERE IS NO DATA...NONE...to support this notion.
"As I've said before, the test has already been approved by the FDA. The testing method is one that has been used for years for detection of other viral antibodies. It can't be any worse than the rushed, cumbersome PCR testing for the virus itself.
No. PCR is FAR more selective and sensitive...cumbersome, yes. I have direct experience with PCR and immunoassay tests from developing biowarfare detection technology.
"Then go sit in your basement with your toilet paper and let the rest of us get back to living.
Thus assuring a resurgence of the virus, and more people dead. And demonstrating the true selfishness behind this whole idea.
Assure a resurgence? There's no data to support that either yet you claim it as fact. There is only modeling which is constantly being changed with a "oh, sorry, my bad".
Selfish is making everybody sit in their basement because you're paranoid.
Grow up, worry about YOUR OWN HEALTH and I'll take care of mine.
Not true. The cells in your body that produce antibodies have memories. Natural immunity, for the most part is lifelong. It is vaccine immunity that is short-lived.
If you believe that natural immunity doesn't last long, then you certainly can't rely on a vaccine-acquired immunity to do better.
That would be an interesting study.
Worldometers is still showing 46 active cases from the Diamond Princess. Are they really still sick after all this time? Or is it a reporting glitch?
Thus directly endangering many other lives. You selfish little twits give a pain. "Ima go to spring break and screw everyone else" mentality.
I'm not the one here who needs to "grow up".
That is true of VACCINE-ACQUIRED immunity, because the vaccine contains killed, attenuated or protein fragments specific to certain strains. These are inert substances incapable of invading cells thus are not perceived as a serious threat. Your body might produce IgM antibody that shows current or recent infection, but does not produce the subsequent IgG antibody that indicates current or PAST infection.
Natural immunity is created against a live, replicating virus that represents a threat to the body - the antibody is to the entire live organism and because of the memory of the cells that produce them they remain years after the original infection.
There are 4 types of flu viruses - A,B,C,D. Only Types A & B cause seasonal epidemics. The H1N1 and H3N2 are sub-types of Flu A and are generally considered more severe than Type B. Antibodies naturally acquired are specific to the Type (A or B), not the individual sub-types. All strains listed as sub-types under A or B are vulnerable.
Arup Lab Influenza A & B Virus Antibody
There have been only 3 flu seasons since 2009 that have had vaccine effectiveness greater than 50% - 2009-10 with 56%, 2010-11 with 60% (the highest reached), and 2013-14 with 52%. The current season VE for Type A is 37% and for Type B is 50%. I'm thinking that's not very impressive. Especially when you consider they only give percentages for those vaccinated. There is no data for infection rate of the UN-VACCINATED. If those percentages are found to be similar, I would surmise that the vaccine is basically useless.
But by all means, continue to get your yearly flu shot without first getting tested for naturally acquired Flu A and B Antibody. Go ahead and get the Coronavirus vaccine that has been rushed through WITHOUT the requisite animal studies and double blinds, followed by extensive followup for side effects, without testing first to see if you've developed the immunity naturally.
Any doctor/medical organization would be sued for malpractice or insurance fraud if they gave a drug to a patient without testing whether it is even necessary. Would a doctor prescribe insulin to someone just because they had a family history of diabetes and not because of an elevated A1C level, or chemotherapy to a patient just because there is family history or the patient's fear that he/she might get cancer?
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