The Madness of Russophobia

Chronicles ^ | Feb. 2022 | Srdja Trifkovic

[Codeflier]

Welcome totge Democrat party.

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[Codeflier]

Um…i think you need to check what the Democrats are saying about this. You seem like a good corporatist stooge to me. You got rid of Trump and got your man Biden, but you still aren’t happy. Typical of a Democrat, even though they get what they want, they still aren’t satisfied.

[Codeflier]

No, I am simply an independent thinker. Get back to your Democrat party and off of FR. You need to help them with creating even more genders. Get to work Dem.

[oblomov]

You’re no fun to debate with, since you just argue against a strawman “Putinista” rather than discuss history, state facts, and respond to the actual points made.

You treat your interlocutor as the embodiment (or at least the handmaiden) of evil rather than assume good intentions.

This is how leftist adolescents argue on Twitter, and it’s not why I come to FR.

[MNJohnnie]

It fine that you love Russia and Putin.

At least have the basic decdeny to not try to make excuses for the inexcusiable. There is no moral, legal or intellectual justification for Putin’s thuggish actions against Ukraine.

Don’t waste your time trying manufacure some twisted rationailzation to deny that painful reality.

[Captain Peter Blood]

Wrong on all accounts. I suggest to study Russian History going back 500 years or more. Then you might figure it out.

[oblomov]

QED

[MNJohnnie]

Using your logic, Britain can invade the US anytime they disagree with us because at one time we belonged to them

That Ukraine was conquered by Russia in the 1600s in no way gives them any moral, legal or rational justification to invade them in the 21st century.

The argument you are making is completely idiotic. Ukraine is no longer part of Russia. It is a recognized independent nation. Putin has no legal, moral or intellectual right to claim oversite over their Goverment's polices

[MNJohnnie]

Let me paint the idiocy of your argument in starker colors Large parts of Poland as well all of Finland belonged to Russia until 1918

Using your “logic” Putin is justified in invading Finland and Poland if their Government do anything that upsets him

Now do you finally see the utter absurdity of Putin's argument for invading Ukraine?

[oblomov]

You have no idea what my position is, and you aren’t worth my time.

[higgmeister]

Putin or any Russian strongman to come will fight NATO, if necessary, to keep NATO out of Ukraine. Any unbiased eye can see that.

Truth!   Nobody has to like Putin to see that he has a reason for this action.

[Rebelbase]

Moscow wasn’t the political center of Russia during the Mongol invasion and it was seized with ease.

But how the Mongols did what they did is they were an army that lived in the field as they lived at home. Constantly mobile and able to forage off the land with ease.

Their military genius was unparalleled for the time.

[daniel1212]

"NATO’s seemingly insatiable urge to expand eastward is the context of the latest crisis over Ukraine"

What prevaricating propaganda is this? NATO exists due to the threat of expansionist Soviet power, which Putin is pushing to regard some glory he lusts for.

1939: World War II begins, and, in accord with a pact between Stalin and Adolf Hitler, Russian invades Poland, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland.

When you must build a wall to keep people in do not be surprised if neighbors guard against you. On August 13, 1961, the Communist government of the German Democratic Republic (GDR, or East Germany) began to build a barbed wire and concrete “Antifascistischer Schutzwall,” or “antifascist bulwark,” between East and West Berlin. All the Ways People Escaped Across the Berlin Wall

[DoughtyOne]

Same here, and I might note it doesn’t seem like it’s universally
accepted that the Ukraine is an enemy of Russia.

It’s looking like more and Russians think Putin is.

[higgmeister]

It 1938 and you all are siding with Hitler. Stop being this stupid.

So, does that mean you are ready to nuke Putin right now?   Tell us what you want to do?   I, and others like me, want to stay out of this quagmire.   Saber rattlers seem to want President Putin skewered on a spit.

I believe you have been played.

[MNJohnnie]

Were does this idiocy come from?

Ukraine is an independent nation state. Putin has no moral, legal or intellectual justification to invade because he dislikes their foreign policy.

Take for example Cuba. Cuba has been a Russian client state 90 miles from the US coast since the 1960s. Despite not liking the situation the US has no legal, moral or intellectual grounds to invade Cuba

As for the idiocy "what about the Cuban missile crisis". That was about offensive nuclear missiles being placed in Cuba. That posed a direct offense threat to the USA. That was resolved, after a show of force by the US brought the Russian to negotiate, by diplomacy.

The US removed their missiles from Turkey in exchanged for Russia removing their from Cuba

[daniel1212]

"Washington’s urge to challenge and confront Russia is rational ly inexplicable ."

Fixed.

"The two can and should be natural allies in a true Northern Alliance"

This Northern Alliance (Canada)?

The Northern Alliance is a far right, white supremacist organization based in London, Ontario, Canada. The group started in 1997, and has been involved in a number of public controversies. The group's leading members include Jason Ouwendyk, Tyler Chilcott, Dave Ruud, and Tomas Szymanski. The number of members in the group is not known. - https://www.liquisearch.com/northern_alliance_canada

[daniel1212]

" Were does this idiocy come from?"

Indeed. I suppose the Cold War was just a big misunderstanding, and or Putin just wants peace, vs. at least some (back to the) USSR former glory.

Timeline of Soviet takeover of Eastern Europe

Country	Year	Methods used
Albania	1945	A communist government took power at the end of World War Two.
Bulgaria	1946	In 1946 the Bulgarian monarchy was abolished and later that year a communist government was elected and gradually eradicated its opponents.
East Germany	1945	East Germany was part of the Soviet zone of occupation agreed at the Yalta Conference and in 1945 the Soviets set up a communist regime.
Romania	1945	In the 1945 elections, a communist-led coalition (made up of more than one political party) government was elected. The Communists gradually removed their coalition partners and abolished the Romanian monarchy.
Poland	1947	Fearing that a non-communist government would be elected in 1947, Stalin invited 16 non-communist politicians to Moscow, where they were arrested. With their political opponents removed, the Polish communists won the election.
Hungary	1948	Although non-communists won the 1945 election, a communist politician, Rakosi, took control of the secret police and used it to arrest and execute his political opponents. By 1948 the Communist Party was in complete control of the country.
Czechoslovakia	1948	Czechoslovakia was the last country in Eastern Europe to fully fall to communism in 1948. At elections that year only communists were allowed to stand and a communist government was duly elected.

-https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zt8ncwx/revision/7

[daniel1212]

"Yes, being against the foreign policy idiocy of Hillary Clinton, Victoria “cookie lady” Nuland, John McCain, and Adam Kinzinger makes one a Putin supporter. /s"

While as seen in my posts above, I see NATO as warranted due Putin's unwarranted aggressiveness, however, as I have said before, after the fall of the Soviet Union the West naively believed that democracy itself is the answer, which it is not, as only insomuch as the voters are wise Godly will they elect the same, while the Russian mafia much filled the void of Soviet corruption. And the morally decaying West failed to really rehabilitate and develop Russia and seemed to disrespect it in the Kosovo intervention.

And this sympathetic piece relates to it.

The Russian military was a mess. Instead of seizing the opportunity to create a new European order that included Russia, President Bill Clinton and his foreign-policy team squandered it by deciding to expand NATO threateningly toward that country’s borders. Such a misbegotten policy guaranteed that Europe would once again be divided, even as Washington created a new order that excluded and progressively alienated post-Soviet Russia.

From 1993, when discussions about it began in earnest, there was no one of significance to oppose them. Worse yet, the president, a savvy politician, sensed that the project might even help him attract voters in the 1996 presidential election, especially in the Midwest, home to millions of Americans with eastern and central European roots..

The alliance’s defenders now claim that Russia accepted it by signing the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act. But Moscow really had no choice, being dependent then on billions of dollars in International Monetary Fund loans (possible only with the approval of the United States, that organization’s most influential member). So, it made a virtue of necessity. That document, it’s true, does highlight democracy and respect for the territorial integrity of European countries, principles Putin has done anything but uphold.

- https://www.thenation.com/article/world/nato-clinton-ukraine-russia/