Posted on 02/27/2023 6:47:33 PM PST by rellimpank
“I really did like when they adapted the M-16 to do three round burst fire”
That was an excellent decision by the army. Single fire is good if you have time and the target in sight. If not 3 round burst is good.
It’s not... “A Right to Keep and Bear Arms... as long as they’re practical”.
It’s fun. That’s about as much justification as anyone should need. Ever. Full stop.
You’d likely be taken out by someone you didn’t know was 100 yards away.
Spray and pray.
I would like to have the option of setting my AR or AK for single or 3 round burst. But fully auto? Beyond doing it one time for fun, nah. Not practical and I am far too cheap to chew up money like that.
Concur. Certain full automatics can be controlled with the proper training. And some people are better than others.
I had a Corporal in my platoon that was muscular, about 170 lbs and about 5'9". He was the only person I have ever seen that could accurately fire a M60 MG from the shoulder. I watched him cut down a 4" diameter tree shooting at full automatic and at about 150-200 yds. He did it in three 5-8 round bursts. I would have had a hard time doing the same thing with a M60 placed on a tripod and locked in a T&E (Traverse and Elevation mechanism).
This clown is trying to force-fit the facts into his narrative.
Unless you’re giddy from the thrill of rockin’-n-rollin’, the first shot you fire will be placed every bit as precisely as if you were shooting semi-auto because it’s not full-auto until the second primer breaks. After that it’s largely a matter of how well you’re trained, your proximity to the targets, and how many basic loads of ammo you’ve brought with out.
One of the reasons the 3-round burst control on the M-4 was such a disaster is after 4 or 5 rounds you can re-establish pretty good precision, if you’ve spent the time and money to train up to it. Rounds 2 and 3 were among the worst of the lot, so the burst control in essence screws up two shots out of three.
Precise enough to drill Davis Tutt through the heart from 75 yards? Maybe not but it can be precise enough to put 6 or 8 COM.
To universally proclaim that full-auto is NEVER practical is pontifical hooey because it presumes there CAN NEVER WILL NEVER be a circumstance when that extra click on your selector switch can save your life. And I’m here to differ.
Plus it’s a great way to turn money into noise.
The drug thugs can’t hit a person standing in front of them with one or two shots. Hence the need.
. If I was all alone? Yeah. You sound like the type that would've kept Union troops firing muskets all the way through to losing the Civil War. Rate of fire matters.
I prefer an M2 Flamethrower for mob and crowd control.
Was in the National Guard many years ago and the two weapons I became most familiar with were the M16 and M60. We had M16 A2s and they had a selector of safe/single/3-round burst/full-auto. The SOP was to use either single or 3-round burst because full auto emptied out the magazine for not much of an advantage over a 3 round burst. On the other hand the M60 was belt fed and way easier to hit things far away with as well as lay down a line of fire across advancing enemies that they did not want to cross.
My Father fought with Patton’s 3rd Army, he told me you hold a Thompson on it’s side (thug style) in order to sweep an area from side to side.
“The Owen was the only entirely Australian-designed and constructed service submachine gun of World War II and was used by the Australian Army from 1942 until 1971.”
“The placement of the magazine allows gravity to assist the magazine spring in pushing cartridges down to the breech, which improves feeding reliability. Another unusual feature is the separate compartment inside the receiver, which isolates the small-diameter bolt from its retracting handle by means of a small bulkhead. This prevents dirt and mud from jamming the bolt, and makes the Owen a highly reliable weapon. The top-mounted magazine meant that if mud entered the weapon, it would either fall out on its own, or be pushed out by the magazine spring. When tested, the Owen gun was able to continue firing despite being dipped in mud and drenched with sand, while a Sten gun and a Thompson also tested stopped functioning at once. In jungle warfare, where both mud and sand were frequent problems, the Owen gun was highly regarded by the soldiers.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_gun
Are their certain inefficiencies inherent in full auto? I don’t know anybody ignorant enough to claim otherwise.
But who told this asswipe that he was empowered with deciding who is worthy and who isn’t?
Final protective fires?
How about we let the collective ingenuity of American inventors work on this issue for the next 20 or 30 years.
I bet there will be some remarkable solutions devised.
IF we get the NFA out of our way.
Something tells me that if it ever comes to that, plenty of people know, or will quickly figure out, how to make a semi-auto into an automatic.
I believe, without experience, that single aimed fire is superior. Yet there could be times a full auto mag dump could be useful as suppressing fire, especially if there are others to move and close. That is why I favor select fire being removed from the NFA and available for sale again.
Back 20 years ago, I got the chance to rent the EXACT HK MP5 that was used in movie Die Hard.
60 rounds were gone very quickly.
Just as quickly you realize full auto is seldom a good idea.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.