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Ironically, states’ rights are crushing the GOPs abortion agenda
The Hill ^ | 08/14/2023 | SVANTE MYRICK

Posted on 08/14/2023 7:48:42 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Why are some Republicans so dissatisfied with democracy?

Immediately after Ohio voters set an example for strong participation in direct democracy while soundly rejecting Issue 1, a measure clearly aimed at curtailing abortion, the authoritarian far right was deeply into the blame game. Issue 1’s supporters blamed “out-of-state dark money groups” and lack of time for their defeat. Ohio’s Republican secretary of state Frank LaRose called the vote “devastating.”

The sputtering was telling. Because this is what the Republican anti-reproductive freedom crowd claimed it wanted along: the chance to turn the question of abortion over to the states and let the people decide. Now, after the demise of Roe, that’s exactly what they’ve got. Except now that it’s not going their way, letting the people speak suddenly doesn’t seem to them like such a good idea.

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KEYWORDS: abortion; agenda; crushing; gop; prolife
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To: aimhigh

The supremes already ruled money talks and has first amendment rights.


21 posted on 08/14/2023 8:11:45 AM PDT by joesbucks (It's called love-bombing. Claiming he's saving the world. This is a cult. Just back away. )
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To: fwdude

“This is 100% about keeping a radical pro-abortion amendment out of our constitution. The left wants to jam it in there this coming November,” LaRose said.

His own words.


22 posted on 08/14/2023 8:12:27 AM PDT by Nazu
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To: Jonny7797
Only because you’ve bought into the bs.

at one time complaints of fixed elections was pretty much a liberal black complaint. We’re becoming more like them by the day.

23 posted on 08/14/2023 8:15:54 AM PDT by joesbucks (It's called love-bombing. Claiming he's saving the world. This is a cult. Just back away. )
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To: ConservativeInPA

they don’t think the baby is a real life. They don’t look at it as being an actual life. They don’t think it’s murder.

How can we changed people’s hearts and minds and attitudes? I don’t know. But we are dealing with people who think abortion is just another form of birth control, and they don’t think it’s a baby growing inside them.


24 posted on 08/14/2023 8:15:57 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: ChicagoConservative27

What if the Ohio vote on abortion is only an anomaly???

And everyone is gearing up for a falsity.


25 posted on 08/14/2023 8:16:14 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The overturning of Roe v. Wade opens up prime opportunities for Republicans.

Instead of focusing on banning abortion, they should focus on educating women, especially young girls.

The abortion business Planned Parenthood wasted no time after Roe v. Wade. They went directly to high schools with long abortion sales pitches disguised as “sex education.” I sat through one of these in high school two years after Roe v. Wade and still remember it quite clearly.

The sales pitch was multipronged:

The saleswoman implied that babies are not alive until birth. She did not produce scientific evidence, but instead said things like “Oh, some people believe that embryos are alive.” (Snicker.) “Some even believe that sperm and eggs are alive!” (Guffaw.)

She claimed that abortion is “perfectly” safe, and that there are even health benefits to having a late term abortion. She said that the reason we have menstrual cramps is because the uterus is small, but if we get pregnant, the fetus will stretch the uterus. Then we can get a late term abortion and never have cramps again. (All of this was an outright lie, of course, since cramps are caused by hormonal activity, not by the size of the uterus.)

She gave misleading information on birth control. While she explained how to use each method, she stressed that it was likely to fail and that it was very dangerous to use. The only method she did not say was dangerous was the rhythm method. But her instructions on how to use the rhythm method would actually increase the chance of pregnancy, since she was telling us that signs of ovulation were the safest time to be intimate.

At the time, I did not understand why she said the things she said. As an adult, I understand now. It’s all about the money—there is far more profit in selling abortion than there is in selling birth control. (Especially since most people buy it at a pharmacy and not Planned Parenthood.)

I wonder how many millions of times Planned Parenthood sales representatives have gone to high schools since then to present similar abortion sales pitches.

That means there are a lot of people out there who believe complete lies. We need to be more proactive about education. Bans will not educate women and can only cause resentment (which only feeds into leftist propaganda).


26 posted on 08/14/2023 8:16:38 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Eventually, each state is going to settle on a position on abortion that outlaws it after a certain number of months. Very few states will outright ban it and very few will allow it up to the moment of birth. That’s state’s rights. Frankly, its probably more in line with the mainstream “GOP position” than The Hill understands.


27 posted on 08/14/2023 8:16:59 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The Republicans need to get off the abortion issue and defend Trump, hard. They need to attack the idiot in the WH. It isn’t difficult, he is an idiot. If they can’t take him and the rest of his clowns down then they are worse.


28 posted on 08/14/2023 8:17:10 AM PDT by Dennis M.
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To: ClearCase_guy
You cannot legislate morality.

ALL legislation is morality!
29 posted on 08/14/2023 8:17:17 AM PDT by Tacticalman
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To: ClearCase_guy

Fully agree. We can’t argue for fifty years that States should decide, then call for a national ban when things don’t go our way.

Shri Roe was reversed, laws in nearly all states reverted back to what they were 50 years ago. In many states, that would be FAR more restrictive than what the majority want. This issue will hurt R’s for years, until they get things modified.


30 posted on 08/14/2023 8:17:33 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: fwdude

You are technically right but everyone knew it was an attempt to thwart the November abortion prop. That said, I think the people of Ohio should have looked
past that because it’s common sense that it should take 60% to change the State Constitution.


31 posted on 08/14/2023 8:18:24 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: ChicagoConservative27

If true we should go after dismantling gay/pervert “rights” as this is what we had before gay president Obamanation.


32 posted on 08/14/2023 8:25:10 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Please. Black women are the largest demo aborting babies.


33 posted on 08/14/2023 8:25:52 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The left, with the full support of a corrupt media, has been successful in playing bait and switch. Its messaging consists of nonspecific language about protecting reproductive choice, safeguarding women’s health care, and codifying Roe vs. Wade. The measures being enacted, however, are carefully constructed with trapdoors leading to unrestricted abortion on demand right up until delivery, the abolition of parental notification and consent, elimination of informed consent regulations, empowering school personnel and other public employees to end run parents and facilitate abortions for minors, elimination of fetal pain and viability regulations, and full public financing. The statutory language is deliberately deceptive to camouflage the radicalism of the agenda.

Every one of these regulatory limits on abortion is supported by a substantial majority of the public. The public is being defrauded.Codifying Roe, for example, would imply a 12 week limit on most abortions. States that have adopted this standard, however, are being anathamatized along with the relatively few that enact tighter standards.

Every one of these issues will have to be fought again at the state level. And they will be fought again at the state level, inch by inch so that a specific, tangible question — e.g. parental notification and consent — can be isolated and joined in a way that cannot be misrepresented. Right now, the left is peddling deception. That will end soon.


34 posted on 08/14/2023 8:29:40 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I think in some states confusing referendum wording played a big part in getting pro-abortion laws passed. The initiators of such measures were careful not to be too obvious that abortion would then be permitted up until birth.


35 posted on 08/14/2023 8:30:05 AM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: joesbucks

So you dont see the trend line in the other methods?


36 posted on 08/14/2023 8:30:16 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: ChicagoConservative27; All
Thank you for referencing that article ChicagoConservative27.

"Ironically, states’ rights are crushing the GOPs [??? emphasis added] abortion agenda"


FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

I understand that what's being pushed regarding abortion laws is no-exception abortion which is probably a RINO strategy to get people to vote against Republicans.

Correction welcome.

Patriots need to get ready ASAP to support hopeful Trump 47 by primarying (You're fired!) ALL state and federal, lawmakers and executives, except for MTG and Gaetz, for the 2024 primaries.

After all, lawmakers and executives continue to show that they do not have the patriotism and leadership skills necessary to find legislative support for effective remedies for unconstitutional government policies.

Exclusive: Marjorie Taylor Greene ‘Dumbfounded’ GOP Colleagues Will Not Call for Biden’s Impeachment! (6.10.23)

In fact, consider that, since one of the very few powers that the states have expressly constitutionally given to the big, bad federal government to dictate peacetime domestic policy is to run the US Mail Service (most federal domestic policy actually based on stolen state powers imo), the worst problem that the country would otherwise be looking at with a new Congress of Trump-supporting freshman lawmakers is arguably a delay with mail delivery.

Trump can endorse candidates from lists that patriots who respect the federal government's constitutionally limited powers provide for him, as long as candidates are not incumbents, candidates also promising to repeal the 16th (direct taxes) and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendments after they win office.

The definition of insanity is reelecting your beloved career state and federal lawmakers and executives over and over again, expecting those same politicians to find remedies for unconstitutional government policies every time.

Patriots, let's not allow ourselves to be fooled for third time in 2024 by the corrupt, constitutionally undefined political parties that have pirated control of state and federal governments.

37 posted on 08/14/2023 8:32:38 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: fwdude

C’mon... really? That’s exactly what it was about.


38 posted on 08/14/2023 8:33:21 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: sphinx

You make very excellent observations.


39 posted on 08/14/2023 8:34:05 AM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: Jonny7797

I don’t understand your question.


40 posted on 08/14/2023 8:37:35 AM PDT by joesbucks (It's called love-bombing. Claiming he's saving the world. This is a cult. Just back away. )
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