Posted on 10/19/2023 4:08:51 PM PDT by george76
Seeing this thread i just went a bought a bunch of incandescent light bulbs
LED lights really are very good.
They have about the same “efficiency” (GE taught us to say “efficacy”) as high-pressure sodium vapor lamps had, but with white light (instead of that salmon-color that used to be ubiquitous in urban areas at night).
Until LEDs, high pressure sodium vapor was pretty much the best lumens-per-watt ratio you could get.
“If LED light bulbs are truly unquestionably superior, you would not need to pass a law stopping consumers from purchasing incandescent bulbs. Consumers would make the switch themselves to save money. Good ideas don’t require force, as they say.”
That’s the money line. The best working option will become the best selling option, all other things being equal.
I use 100 watt incadescent bulbs that cost me about 50 Cents each.
I have seen LED bulbs as high as $7 each—that is a 14 to 1 ratio.
When the curly bulbs came out, a friend just HAD TO HAVE THEM.
WHENEVER I was in his office-——I had IMMEDIATE HEADACHES-—and they flickered. I quit going there for any length of time.
I bought when I hope are enough regular bulbs for the rest of my life.
YEARS AGo-—I hd my Dad & his girlfriend visit me in So Calif. She was the biggest PITA I think I have ever known.
I went to work-—I came home—still in daylight—and picked them up to take them out to dinner.
She bitched all thru dinner, but that was to be expected.
We get back home-—AFTER dark—and I turn on the house interior lights.
WHAM-—I THINK I HAVE GONE BLIND-—I CANNOT SEE!!!
SHE HAD CHANGED OUT EVERY SINGLE 100 Watt bulb in the entire house for 40 Watt bulbs!!!!!!!!!!
I am very near sighted-—I KNOW what light I NEED.
That whole incident led to an hours long fight & I threw her out of my house-—forever. Dd finally calmed me down, as they were leaving the net day-—but it was the LAST time they were here.
SHE also RE_ARRANGED ALL my living room furniture one day.
I lived in EARTHQUAKE Country-—I never changed the furniture.
Some well-connected bums made money from the LED scam. Just like in every other “green” business venture on this planet. Freon, etc.
I like the writer’s logic technique. Thanks for posting.
“LED lights are not more efficient in a meaningful economic sense”
What other sense of efficiency is there?
Long story short, they suck.
this author is an asshol*!! his comparison using Ice cream trucks is ignorant nonsense. LEDs are more efficient across the board. any moron can see, and feel it the minute they are energized.
A major problem for me is my pool pump network of pipes. My pool must run year round for 12 hours a day. At temperatures below freezing the pump turns on continuously to prevent freezing. We lose power a lot and my generator only powers the 120Volt circuits. I keep a 60 Watt incandescent bulb inside the exposed pipes and filter box. It turns on automatically when utility power is lost. That 60 watt bulb is enough heat to keep my pump, heat pump, and pipes from freezing up solid and breaking. Space heaters draw too much current and are a fire hazard unattended. I need that heat from the incandescent bulb!
Soon enough our benevolent leaders will make this choice moot for us as well.
Soon there won’t be any ice cream in need of refrigeration because they willl hav outlawed cows.
Cows fart and burp too much.
If ice cream is going to be available in the future it will have to be made of Cockroaches. And probably won’t need refrigeration.
With all I’ve endured in the last 22 months, having a low electric bill has become a big deal.
I’m using LEDs and pretty much sitting in fairly dim dim room to compensate for the AC and now a 220V heater.
Should I stick with LEDs?
Maryland has an obscenely high energy cost with a lot of weird Gaia worship crap added on.
Flicker is more a failing LED bulb .
I’ve experimented with all the energy saving types. Some CFL failed in weeks,some brands still bright and steady after 5 or more years. Just replaced the last CFL in use with LED.
Really annoying is I pay $32 “access” monthly before using the first kwh.Seriously considering alternatives.
You completely failed to understand the article. It wasn’t on science, it was on economics. The argument is basically it doesn’t matter if LED bulbs are physically “more efficient” in terms of watts. If people prefer incandescent lighting regardless of LED’s using less electricity, then LEDs are LESS economically efficient. Economics is the social science of economic value as decided by the preferences of human beings, not by measurement of wattage or even dollar cost. He also addressed the fact that LED bulbs are so expensive and fail sometimes that even the dollar savings aren’t as large as advertised.
These are economic, not physics arguments. The cure for your economic illiteracy might start with reading Mises.
Has ANYONE told BIDEN that bulbs inside refrigerators & OVENS need to be incandescent?
LED won’t take the temp differences.
Is the author nutz? Anyone who has replaced a 150W outdoor flood with a 30w LED knows the LED is far more efficient and a whole lot brighter.
I had a CFL explode right over my clean laundry.
Like an idiot I rewashed and dried the clothes, unwittingly spreading the bulb powder everywhere.
I got mild mercury poisoning from that.
I stopped using them immediately.
:(
Let the Market Decide.
That said... I love LED light bulbs.
I can buy a two pack of Sunbeam 60W LED’S for a buck at Dollar Tree.
Are you engineers morons? This wasn’t an engineering argument but an economic one, saying let the market decide. Wattage and lumens shouldn’t decide, the consumer should. Never seen such a dense comment from a supposedly intelligent poster.
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