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The Incandescent Ban and the Lie of LED Efficiency
Foundation for Economic Education. ^ | October 18, 2023 | Peter Jacobsen

Posted on 10/19/2023 4:08:51 PM PDT by george76

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To: george76

Seeing this thread i just went a bought a bunch of incandescent light bulbs


21 posted on 10/19/2023 4:27:06 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: george76

LED lights really are very good.

They have about the same “efficiency” (GE taught us to say “efficacy”) as high-pressure sodium vapor lamps had, but with white light (instead of that salmon-color that used to be ubiquitous in urban areas at night).

Until LEDs, high pressure sodium vapor was pretty much the best lumens-per-watt ratio you could get.


22 posted on 10/19/2023 4:27:46 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: george76

“If LED light bulbs are truly unquestionably superior, you would not need to pass a law stopping consumers from purchasing incandescent bulbs. Consumers would make the switch themselves to save money. Good ideas don’t require force, as they say.”

That’s the money line. The best working option will become the best selling option, all other things being equal.


23 posted on 10/19/2023 4:28:09 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: george76

I use 100 watt incadescent bulbs that cost me about 50 Cents each.

I have seen LED bulbs as high as $7 each—that is a 14 to 1 ratio.

When the curly bulbs came out, a friend just HAD TO HAVE THEM.

WHENEVER I was in his office-——I had IMMEDIATE HEADACHES-—and they flickered. I quit going there for any length of time.

I bought when I hope are enough regular bulbs for the rest of my life.

YEARS AGo-—I hd my Dad & his girlfriend visit me in So Calif. She was the biggest PITA I think I have ever known.

I went to work-—I came home—still in daylight—and picked them up to take them out to dinner.

She bitched all thru dinner, but that was to be expected.

We get back home-—AFTER dark—and I turn on the house interior lights.

WHAM-—I THINK I HAVE GONE BLIND-—I CANNOT SEE!!!

SHE HAD CHANGED OUT EVERY SINGLE 100 Watt bulb in the entire house for 40 Watt bulbs!!!!!!!!!!

I am very near sighted-—I KNOW what light I NEED.

That whole incident led to an hours long fight & I threw her out of my house-—forever. Dd finally calmed me down, as they were leaving the net day-—but it was the LAST time they were here.

SHE also RE_ARRANGED ALL my living room furniture one day.

I lived in EARTHQUAKE Country-—I never changed the furniture.


24 posted on 10/19/2023 4:28:25 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: george76

Some well-connected bums made money from the LED scam. Just like in every other “green” business venture on this planet. Freon, etc.


25 posted on 10/19/2023 4:29:36 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: george76

I like the writer’s logic technique. Thanks for posting.


26 posted on 10/19/2023 4:32:07 PM PDT by cabojoe ( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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To: george76

“LED lights are not more efficient in a meaningful economic sense”

What other sense of efficiency is there?


27 posted on 10/19/2023 4:33:12 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Our empire of sodomy is failing as it should. How else could it go? )
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To: george76

Long story short, they suck.


28 posted on 10/19/2023 4:33:20 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: george76

this author is an asshol*!! his comparison using Ice cream trucks is ignorant nonsense. LEDs are more efficient across the board. any moron can see, and feel it the minute they are energized.


29 posted on 10/19/2023 4:33:23 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: Wonder Warthog
Yep. Agreed. I love my LED bulbs in some applications and love my incandescent in others. It should be my choice.

A major problem for me is my pool pump network of pipes. My pool must run year round for 12 hours a day. At temperatures below freezing the pump turns on continuously to prevent freezing. We lose power a lot and my generator only powers the 120Volt circuits. I keep a 60 Watt incandescent bulb inside the exposed pipes and filter box. It turns on automatically when utility power is lost. That 60 watt bulb is enough heat to keep my pump, heat pump, and pipes from freezing up solid and breaking. Space heaters draw too much current and are a fire hazard unattended. I need that heat from the incandescent bulb!

30 posted on 10/19/2023 4:33:41 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: george76
How is this point determined? By consumers! If consumers value frozen ice cream enough, they’ll be willing to pay more for an ice cream truck with a freezer.

Soon enough our benevolent leaders will make this choice moot for us as well.

Soon there won’t be any ice cream in need of refrigeration because they willl hav outlawed cows.

Cows fart and burp too much.

If ice cream is going to be available in the future it will have to be made of Cockroaches. And probably won’t need refrigeration.

31 posted on 10/19/2023 4:34:12 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: AndyJackson

With all I’ve endured in the last 22 months, having a low electric bill has become a big deal.
I’m using LEDs and pretty much sitting in fairly dim dim room to compensate for the AC and now a 220V heater.
Should I stick with LEDs?
Maryland has an obscenely high energy cost with a lot of weird Gaia worship crap added on.


32 posted on 10/19/2023 4:37:15 PM PDT by Salamander (Please visit my profile page help save my beloved dog's life. https://www.givesendgo.com/G2FUF.)
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To: Owen

Flicker is more a failing LED bulb .
I’ve experimented with all the energy saving types. Some CFL failed in weeks,some brands still bright and steady after 5 or more years. Just replaced the last CFL in use with LED.

Really annoying is I pay $32 “access” monthly before using the first kwh.Seriously considering alternatives.


33 posted on 10/19/2023 4:40:38 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isnt free)
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To: Wonder Warthog

You completely failed to understand the article. It wasn’t on science, it was on economics. The argument is basically it doesn’t matter if LED bulbs are physically “more efficient” in terms of watts. If people prefer incandescent lighting regardless of LED’s using less electricity, then LEDs are LESS economically efficient. Economics is the social science of economic value as decided by the preferences of human beings, not by measurement of wattage or even dollar cost. He also addressed the fact that LED bulbs are so expensive and fail sometimes that even the dollar savings aren’t as large as advertised.

These are economic, not physics arguments. The cure for your economic illiteracy might start with reading Mises.


34 posted on 10/19/2023 4:44:38 PM PDT by libertarian66
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To: CodeToad

Has ANYONE told BIDEN that bulbs inside refrigerators & OVENS need to be incandescent?

LED won’t take the temp differences.


35 posted on 10/19/2023 4:44:49 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: george76

Is the author nutz? Anyone who has replaced a 150W outdoor flood with a 30w LED knows the LED is far more efficient and a whole lot brighter.


36 posted on 10/19/2023 4:44:59 PM PDT by anton
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To: hoosierham

I had a CFL explode right over my clean laundry.
Like an idiot I rewashed and dried the clothes, unwittingly spreading the bulb powder everywhere.

I got mild mercury poisoning from that.

I stopped using them immediately.

:(


37 posted on 10/19/2023 4:45:44 PM PDT by Salamander (Please visit my profile page help save my beloved dog's life. https://www.givesendgo.com/G2FUF.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Let the Market Decide.

That said... I love LED light bulbs.


38 posted on 10/19/2023 4:46:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: blackdog

I can buy a two pack of Sunbeam 60W LED’S for a buck at Dollar Tree.


39 posted on 10/19/2023 4:46:19 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon
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To: AndyJackson

Are you engineers morons? This wasn’t an engineering argument but an economic one, saying let the market decide. Wattage and lumens shouldn’t decide, the consumer should. Never seen such a dense comment from a supposedly intelligent poster.


40 posted on 10/19/2023 4:46:44 PM PDT by libertarian66
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