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Creation - Holographic Universe...An Open Discussion On Existing
crystalinks.com ^ | 1/14/02 | Author Unknown

Posted on 01/14/2002 8:14:36 PM PST by My Favorite Headache

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To: My Favorite Headache
I'm late to this party, but here's a thought that scares me a bit:

1. Photons travel at the speed of light.
2. As things are accelerated toward the speed of light, distances shrink toward zero.
3. Therefore, from the photon's point of view, the Universe is located all in one spot!

So does this mean that all the light we see in the world is just one damn photon zipping all over the place (in our minds) , but in actuality (from its point of view) just fidgeting around in one place!

181 posted on 01/30/2002 9:43:42 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: My Favorite Headache
"It was Saint Thomas who called God the "Prime Mover" correct?"

I thought Alan Greenspan was the Prime Mover.

Or is he the Mover of the Prime ...
Rate?

182 posted on 01/30/2002 9:50:50 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Do you believe in God?
183 posted on 01/31/2002 4:30:28 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: Alamo-Girl
I am confused. Here we have a theory that says that a quantum parameter is indefinite until measured. But in a pair production, measuring the quantum parameter in particle 1 fixes the value in 2, no matter what distance separates them. How are we to know that the measured quantum parameter is not actually fixed in both (but unknown) at the time of particle pair birth?
184 posted on 01/31/2002 5:23:12 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: My Favorite Headache
Yes.
185 posted on 01/31/2002 6:28:33 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: GregoryFul
Thanks for your reply!

Please let me know if the following sheds any light on the question: How is spin in quantum systems a direct result of special relativity

186 posted on 02/01/2002 8:43:29 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: GregoryFul
I am confused. Here we have a theory that says that a quantum parameter is indefinite until measured. But in a pair production, measuring the quantum parameter in particle 1 fixes the value in 2, no matter what distance separates them. How are we to know that the measured quantum parameter is not actually fixed in both (but unknown) at the time of particle pair birth?

Fixed-but-unknown would violate other things that can be measured. QM is weird. Much of the reason for the weirdness is that the basic objects in QM are not the macroscopic things we normally deal with, but the wave function. Physicist can explain things much better than I can.

187 posted on 02/01/2002 8:52:28 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Alamo-Girl
I still protest. It seems to me that it must be a presumption that a quantum parameter's value is indefinite until measured. If an electron has spin UP when measured, could it not have had spin UP prior to its being measured.

I mean, the ironic statement physicists make about quantum states: "you don't know the value of a quantum parameter until you measure it." -- well, duh? What is the evidence that the state is not a characteristic property of an individual particle before it is measured?

Any interaction that reveals this characteristic is a measurement. Otherwise the characteristic remains unknown, not necessarily indefinite -- or is there a clear argument that convinces physicists that it is indefinite, not merely unknown?

188 posted on 02/02/2002 3:39:52 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: GregoryFul
Speaking of irony, here's another interesting article About the Quantum Measurement Problem
189 posted on 02/02/2002 9:52:38 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thanks, that was an interesting read. I guess I'm of the "hidden variables" camp.

I wonder if you've run across some exposition on other paradox in the current physics. One is the "twin paradox" where one brother rockets off into space at 0.99 C for a period of time and comes back to earth to find his twin brother quite older. Now since the time dilation is due to relative speeds, how come the earth bound brother is not younger, having speed off from his rocketship bound brother at 0.99 C? What happens if both rocket off in opposite directions (but in a circular path), so that they meet sometime in the future? Who will be older?

Or another strange paradox: how did the universe expand outside of the Swartzchild radius after the big-bang? I mean, here we have the hypothesis that all matter may eventually collapse into black holes that it can never escape from, and the opposite hypothesis that the universe originated from a singularity that was obviously smaller than the Swartzchild radius for the matter contained in the universe.

190 posted on 02/04/2002 4:56:16 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: GregoryFul
Here’s a nice link for the Twin Paradox. The twin who traveled returns younger than the one who didn’t.

On the Big Bang and the Swartzchild radius, here’s a nice discussion of Symmetry Principles of the Unified Field Theory.

As for me, however, I tend to a higher dimensional dynamic solution such as this one: Space-Time-Matter Consortium

We are a group of physicists and astronomers working on a 5-dimensional version of general relativity. Our work differs from Kaluza-Klein theory (the basis of superstrings) in that we do not assume compactification of the extra dimension. This means that new terms (those involving the 5th coordinate) enter into physics, even at low energies. In 4D spacetime these can be interpreted as matter and energy. We move them to the right-hand side of the 4D field equations and take them to describe an induced energy-momentum tensor. In fact, we have shown that no 5D energy-momentum tensor is required. 4D matter of all kinds can arise as a manifestation of a higher-dimensional vacuum. This is one way to realize Einstein's dream of transmuting the "base wood" of matter into the "pure marble" of geometry -- that is, of unifying the gravitational field, not just with other fields, but with its source as well.

For a thorough discussion of the theory click here

It has been exciting for me to watch them develop this theory over the past few years. I now tend to visualize the observed realm at 4 coordinates as an unfortunate selection of coordinates from a higher dimensional dynamic. Under their theory, the big bang itself, could be a higher dimensional shock wave. Here's more on how the theory holds with regard to:

Astrophysics
Cosomology
Particle Physics

"Out of the box" thinking has a great appeal to me. Perhaps it might to you, also!

191 posted on 02/04/2002 8:01:01 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Well, that is a lot to digest! It will take me a while to explore it. Thanks!
192 posted on 02/06/2002 8:15:21 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: RightWhale
If conciousness were really consciousness, it wouldn't be a mystery.
193 posted on 02/06/2002 8:28:32 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: GregoryFul
You're quite welcome! I've very anxious to hear your 'take' on it when you read it.
194 posted on 02/06/2002 9:15:29 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Age of Reason
If conciousness were really consciousness

Right. But it isn't, and that's the problem.

Always in palingenesis, never getting there. Glad I'm not a Jainist. Or a Cynic for that matter.

195 posted on 02/06/2002 10:22:25 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: My Favorite Headache
Look up Bell's Theorem. That's what they're describing here.
196 posted on 02/14/2002 6:38:46 PM PST by Mean Daddy
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To: Mean Daddy
Bump...when I get time I will do that.
197 posted on 02/14/2002 6:56:42 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: Mean Daddy
It has been suspected since long before Bell that Quantum Mechanics is in conflict with classical logic. For example, deductive logic is based on a number of assumptions, one of which is the Principle of the Excluded Middle: all statements are either true or false.
198 posted on 03/01/2002 10:43:04 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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