Posted on 04/23/2002 11:50:04 AM PDT by history_matters
I would think it would be all predators that need to be purged and punished, the rapers of young girls as well.
Actually we were discussing incidents of pedophilia. By the posters own statistics, it was irrefutable that the sheer number of heterosexual incidents of pedophilia outnumbered homosexual incidents of pedofphila by a factor of 33X! Obviously if a one thing is 33 times worse than another, you should give top priority to the thing that is 33 time worse.
First, I am a woman. The only reason I am stating this is that for some reason, both men and women seem to think that women have some divine right, some preferential right, on the issue of abortion. Dr. Kopp has articulately spoken about abortion, but I'm going to give you the emotionally side. The female side, for lack of a better phrase.
Nine years ago I was pregnant with my first child. I read a book called "Brain Sex" which discussed how men and women were different based on how their brains worked. Women "feel" ... nothing new there!
So on "feelings" I write on abortion.
I have not had an abortion nor have I been inclined to abort any of my three pregnancies. But, I am a daughter of a woman who could have had an abortion. A daughter of a man who didn't want a child, a daughter of a PRO-CHOICE woman who couldn't abort. My father told my mother to abort me; she didn't. Because of that CHOICE, four people exist in this world: myself, and my three children.
I am young. 32. I am a working mom, trying to juggle a million balls in the air and keep my marriage alive. I love life, I love God, I love my family and will do anything to protect all three. Why do I care about what other women want to do? Why do I care at all about what happens to a bunch of cells that are forming into a human being?
In essense, it comes down to feelings. I know that life begins at conception. That when the sperm meets the egg, a unique human being is created, complete with a soul, the fingerprint of God.
As a young adult, I wasn't pro-life. I wasn't pro-choice, but I didn't know what life was. When I was pregnant with my firstborn, the doctor couldn't hear a heartbeat at 12 weeks. He did an ultra-sound. My daughter was doing somersaults. Her little heart was beating so fast I almost couldn't see it; she was less than an inch, but I saw fingers and feet and a beating heart.
How can I sit back and allow any human being to be destroyed simply because they can not care for themselves? How can I sit back and say, hey, it's a choice? Isn't prostitution a choice? Shouldn't a woman be allowed to sell her body to earn a living? No, she shouldn't, just like she should be allowed to kill another human being. An innocent, helpless human being.
Would you kill a puppy who whined at you because his mother was hit by a car? The puppy may not survive on his own; can you simply break his neck because he would be better off dead?
If a pregnancy is "unwanted" or "unplanned", does that mean that the unborn baby wouldn't feel the pain of a scalpel slicing it in half? The so-called "pro-choice" legislators in California wouldn't even pass a law to allow the unborn fetus antithesia prior to an abortion ... no matter what the gestation of the fetus. In defending their right to abort, they must repeat that they are not doing anything wrong. Giving pain killers to the unborn would mean that the unborn feel pain; they can not acknowledge that. If they did, then they would acknowledge that they were killing a living human being. They can't make the connect, because it would destroy the pro-choice movement.
Abortion is murder. Abortion stops a beating heart. Use any cliche you want, but be honest. There are people who are pro-choice because they don't know better, they haven't thought about the issue. There are people who are pro-choice because they make money on the abortions. And there are people who are pro-choice because they don't want the societal problems of more children -- they don't want more blacks, more hispanics, more poor. They would rather kill them in the womb than deal with the reason for their conception.
As a woman, as a mother, as a rational human being, I can see no justification for abortion. Abortion is an evil because not only does it stop of beating heart -- kill an innocent human being -- but abortion destroys the souls of the women who obtain them.
I believe in the power of forgiveness, and I believe that many, many women are hollow and empty because of previous abortions. God bless them, and may He give them mercy. These are the women who will change the debate. These are the women who will come out and talk about their emotional pain. Because abortion IS murder, and no one disputes that a pregnancy to term will deliver a human baby.
I just want you to think about it. Think about what abortion is ... and why women have abortions. Because they can't afford the baby? Because the pregnancy is inconvenient? Because their boyfriends pressure them into it? Why? These are the issues we need to address.
God bless
You realize that in the voting booth, there is a gender gap -- with women tending to favor liberals and those who will protect the right of abortion. So not only aren't your feelings shared by all women, your feelings tend to be a minority even among women.
Well said, Angelique. Amen.
Nice labeling, do you pigeon-hole everyone like that?
Sometimes the act cannot be separated from the person, esp. those who define themselves by thier acts. (ie: Homosexuals).
Only God knows what is in a man's heart.
If a man does not engage in sex with another man, I suppose it is a moot point, although Paul seems to have a harsher view of it in Romans 1:26, 27
Do you think that Paul would have said this if God did not want him to?
Nice labeling, do you pigeon-hole everyone like that?
Huh? It's the broadest term -- it is the opposite of atheist. It's in the dictionary.
Sins are simply choices. The soul is immortal.
"Nice labeling, do you pigeon-hole everyone like that?"
"Huh? It's the broadest term -- it is the opposite of atheist. It's in the dictionary."
It's still labeling - do you also use terms like "You blacks, you Jews, etc."?
And a dictionary? You know that us "religionists" doesn't use no dikshunaries! (Is that condescending enough for you?)
Obviously your acceptance of peer reviewed literature is selective. 28 of 37 peer reviewed studies, 76%, in the medical literature show a positive correlation between abortion and breast cancer, yet you only accept those 9 out of 37 peer reviewed studies, 24%, that deny such a link.
You do not take your facts from peer reviewed publications. You simply pick and choose those that support your obvious bias.
Actually, I never understood the objection to that. People all the time say to me, "you atheists", "you Libertarians", "you whites", "you men." Well, since that's what I am, I guess it seemed rather natural for them to address me that way.
Actually when various peer reviewed studies contradict each other, and it does happen, it almost always means the effect they are studying is down there in the statistical noise -- and therefore not a significant threat either way.
As usual, your choice of words belies your deception. You know you are misrepresenting solid evidence, and even as an atheist you do have a shred of conscience left, so you hedge your statements using equivocal language to assuage your conscience.
The tobacco lawyers made statements like yours for decades. We are at the beginning of the same curve with abortion apologists. But Truth always prevails.
Are you gay? I'd hate to assume from your silence on this question that you are...most heterosexual males would simply answer "No."
I'm sorry, that's simply wrong. Women these days are pro-life, a fact that even leftist polls are confirming (call up the feminist Center For Gender Equality and ask them what their polling data on the subject is showing). And women, as well as men, overwhelmingly oppose abortion on demand and 2nd/3rd trimester abortions. You shouldn't be so quick to believe media propaganda.
How horrible it must have been for you to find this out. This is one of the sickest twists to the abortion love affair we have in this country -- when you find out that one of your parents, the people you trust most in the whole world, wanted to feed you to the Planned Parenthood cuisinart when you couldn't defend yourself. I am nauseated.
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