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Is everything you know about 2nd Coming wrong? [pre-tribulation rapture]
WND ^ | August 22, 2015 | Richardson: Events of next 5 years 'will utterly destroy' pre-trib rapture doctrine

Posted on 08/23/2015 8:07:24 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: editor-surveyor

So you see some of the events of chapter 6 perhaps involved before during and after what is displayed in chapter 19?

I’d be interested in seeing how you would event time line Revelation.


161 posted on 08/24/2015 5:10:39 PM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: redleghunter

Chapter 19 is a parenthetical overview, so you can’t use it as chronology.


162 posted on 08/24/2015 5:14:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: redleghunter

Get a copy of the Chronological Gospels.

It is worked out perfectly there.


163 posted on 08/24/2015 5:16:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Smittie
We face human persecution and slaughter, but The Tribulation is God’s wrath, which if you’re a christian you have been saved from;which is why I believe in a pretrib rapture.

Yep!
164 posted on 08/24/2015 6:50:19 PM PDT by Old Yeller (B. Hussein Obama is leading this country like a lamb to its slaughter.)
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To: spetznaz
Please see my post 18. Christians around the world are already going through major tribulations. Biblical level tribulations. I am confused as to what makes some Christians think they will be exempt.

You're confusing persecution with God's wrath.
165 posted on 08/24/2015 6:52:22 PM PDT by Old Yeller (B. Hussein Obama is leading this country like a lamb to its slaughter.)
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To: editor-surveyor

So do you believe that the Trinity is found in the word of God?


166 posted on 08/24/2015 7:56:21 PM PDT by Pelham (Without deportation you have defacto amnesty)
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To: roamer_1
Angels don't have physical bodies in Heaven and they are all masculine, so they wouldn't have any need for seed. It's when they assumed human form (and notice they always assume the male form)that they were able to procreate. The book of Mark also records Jesus saying that there is no marriage in Heaven. Angels don't have anyone to marry in Heaven, so they have no need for seed, or they wouldn't have looked to human females.

Plants & animals don't marry because the Supreme Court hasn't heard their case yet, but seriously we were created as higher beings than them.

Now if you have any scriptures that state these things differently, I'd like to hear them.

167 posted on 08/24/2015 8:10:48 PM PDT by Smittie (Just like an alien, I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: editor-surveyor; mountn man

“The House of Judah are the Jews.”

So does Judah include Benjamin? Simeon? Levi?

Who exactly was James writing to when he opened his letter with:

“James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion”


168 posted on 08/24/2015 8:17:05 PM PDT by Pelham (Without deportation you have defacto amnesty)
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To: markomalley

I’ve always observed that whenever I gave consideration to mid-trib or post-trib, and especially amil positions, they always were accompanied by a lack or erosion of faith in Christ and His work on the Cross, albeit sometimes slight.

Nevertheless, the pretrib-premil position is consistent with those who remain in faith in Christ in all things.

While the other eschatologies might have strong rational arguments to support their theology, I find myself growing more through faith and remaining along the pre-trib, premil eschatology.


169 posted on 08/24/2015 8:40:32 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Pelham

Part of Benjamin, and part of Levi.

The dispersion is the northern tribes. they were who Yeshua was sent to save. (Matthew 15:24) Most of the congregations that the epistles were written to were the dispersion of the House of Israel ( The “Gentiles” as the Pharisees called them, the divorced wife that was to be remarried, creating the “mystery” that Paul declared in Romans 7)


170 posted on 08/24/2015 8:49:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Cvengr

The resurrection of Yeshua’s elect is what ends the trib, the “First Resurrection.”

Many pre-tribbers will end up taking the mark because of that mistaken belief.


171 posted on 08/24/2015 8:55:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Pelham

As a doctrine, no. As a fact that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit exist, yes.

We are not to declare things in any name but Yeshua.


172 posted on 08/24/2015 8:59:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Smittie
Angels don't have physical bodies in Heaven

According to whom? No one knows what the spirit world is like. We have no idea of what physicality is there.

and they are all masculine [...]

According to whom?

so they wouldn't have any need for seed.

Yet they have seed. Seed has purpose.

It's when they assumed human form that they were able to procreate.

According to whom?

(and notice they always assume the male form)

So? When we at war, all our soldiers are male too (at least until recently)... In the perspective of those on the battlefield, they could assume there are no American women... But of course, their assumptions are limited by their perspective.

The book of Mark also records Jesus saying that there is no marriage in Heaven.

And I agree. That does not mean they do not procreate. That means they don't marry...

Angels don't have anyone to marry in Heaven [...]

No, they just don't marry in heaven. That is all it says.

[...] so they have no need for seed [...]

yet they have seed.

or they wouldn't have looked to human females.

Thay didn't HAVE to look for human females - That's the point.

173 posted on 08/24/2015 10:20:35 PM PDT by roamer_1
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To: mountn man

Are you aware that Revelation (as well as Jesus himself) uses symbolism? A literal interpretation is often not appropriate. Jesus was neither a door nor a vine nor, for that matter, a shepherd, yet he described himself as such to make a point. That is also true in John’s Revelation.


174 posted on 08/24/2015 10:28:05 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: editor-surveyor

So between “Jesus only” or “Jesus Name Doctrine” which would better apply to your doctrine? Either? Both? Or neither?


175 posted on 08/24/2015 10:30:21 PM PDT by Pelham (Without deportation you have defacto amnesty)
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To: editor-surveyor

By the time James wrote, the Jews were also dispersing as a result of persecution. I take the words he used as meant to cover all.

Surely you didn’t mean to say that Jesus was sent to save only the dispersed northern tribes and not the Jews?


176 posted on 08/24/2015 10:43:38 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Marcella

I just hope to do whatever God intends for me to do. He has certainly blessed me and my family. I am so grateful to even be alive and able, and I give praise to him for all these blessings.


177 posted on 08/24/2015 11:25:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: roamer_1

Just give me some scripture to check out...


178 posted on 08/25/2015 4:46:29 AM PDT by Smittie (Just like an alien, I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks!


179 posted on 08/25/2015 7:16:59 AM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: Cvengr
I find myself growing more through faith and remaining along the pre-trib, premil eschatology.

The imminency of Christ's return leads to a drive to spread the Gospel, a call to purity in our lives---keep ourselves for His return. Yes I see that.

180 posted on 08/25/2015 7:20:48 AM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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