Posted on 08/23/2015 8:07:24 PM PDT by markomalley
“....Jews,The House of Judah,make up only two of the tribes of Israel... and but 24,000 of the 144,000. Where are the rest to come from? ....”
Please clarify....
Wake up!
None of this is about the LXX; that is your childish dodge and it is going nowhere.
There has never been such a language as Koine. It is the result of using the equivalencies in the LXX as a rosetta stone of sorts to translate the Hebrew letters of the NT into Greek.
The Lxx was like babblefish Greek, because its translators spoke no Greek. That is why Greeks can’t read the LXX, and won’t even try.
The LXX passages in the NT are of later insertion. The original NT was totally Hebrew, but was expunged by Constantine’s armies to assist in satisfying his desire to exterminate the Jewish people.
Now go play.
That thing is nonsense.
Nicolaitans had nothing to do with idolatry. They were seekers of personal power. Yeshua dealt with that among his closest disciples, when they sought to one-up each other.
He told them that he who would be first will be last, and he who would be great would be diminished.
The 144,000 come from all of Israel, not just Judah, so only about 1/6 of them are to be Jews.
“There has never been such a language as Koine.”
Really? And when I took Koine Greek at the University of California what exactly was I studying?
Koine Greek is the common Greek of antiquity that was spread across the known world by Alexander the Great.
What crackpot cult is it that fosters the profound ignorance that you display here?
https://sites.google.com/site/aliensatourdoorstep/don-t-spit-on-christ
Yimach Shimo Uezichro
A search on part of that phrase “Yimach Shimo/Yimach Shmo” turned up the above link.
I too would like to know what group ascribes to editor-surveyor’s theology.
Can you post some links to the sites that have the correct theology?
Books, other than the Scriptures, written by those who have the correct theology?
Theology is never correct.
The Word of God, unmodified by theologians, is the only source.
Theology is what has sent most of the world’s population to the Lake that burns. Theology is the philosophy against which Paul warned us.
If you wish to study the Pharisees’ curse against Yeshua, you must study it in the venue in which it was created: their own writings.
A curse is nothing unless you buy it by repeating it. Thus when you call Yeshua “Jesus” you yield to propagating it.
There is no acceptable reason to do that; we know his true name, the one that his Father gave him: Yeshua (or Y’shua, or Yahshua).
Your path is of course yours to take, consequences be damned, right?
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>> “Really? And when I took Koine Greek at the University of California what exactly was I studying?” <<
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Encapsulated ignorance.
There is zero evidence for Koine as a societal language.
No records of commerce, only ‘church’ related texts.
Were it the language, commerce would be preserved in it.
“Encapsulated ignorance. There is zero evidence for Koine as a societal language.”
You are like talking to a Flat Earther. The things you spout are so ridiculous I suspect it may be a put on.
Koine Greek was the common language of the vast empire created by Alexander the Great circa 330 BC. It remained the common language of the eastern Roman Empire. It was the common tongue and not polished like Classical Greek but by the time of Christ had become a literary language.
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No, Koine was not Alexander’s language.
His was closer to the language of the classical era.
“No, Koine was not Alexander’s language. His was closer to the language of the classical era.”
That would be true of Alexander himself who was tutored by Aristotle. Koine developed in the Empire that Alexander created.
It’s escapism, pure and simple.
Yimach Shimo Uezichro is a Hebrew curse that dates back to the time of Haman- “May his name be obliterated”
The ‘YS’ gives it a vague similarity to the Hebrew spelling of Jesus. There apparently is no evidence of any attempt to connect the phrase to Jesus until the Middle Ages. This is just more baseless “knowledge” that appeals to gnostic kooks.
This is a pretty good implication
[roamer_1:]And I agree. That does not mean they do not procreate. That means they don't marry...
It does no such thing - Fornication depends upon marriage, not the other way around... If there is no marriage, there can be no fornication, as fornication is the breaking of marriage... What is implied is an wholly different paradigm... One which we have no ability to discern without more information.
Secondly, marriage is a picture of Yeshua and his Assembly - When that has met fulfillment, the image is no longer necessary.
Thirdly, marriage, by it's very nature, is broken by death - How would that work with eternal beings?
Neither am I advocating for copulation, or envisioning what that means in the spiritual realm... As it is of a different paradigm, my knowledge is no better than yours. But I will assert that what most Christians think about this stuff is born of extrapolation, and is without foundation in the Bible. What the Bible actually says is that there will be no marriage in the Kingdom, and that, in that aspect, we will be 'like the angels'. Since we have no idea what it means to be 'like the angels', there is little frame of reference:
We know that male angels have seed... and little else... Even the concept that angels 'married' humans in Gen 6 is an interpretation - My Hebrew friends translate that much differently, to denote a sense of taking and raping... Not the benign bonds the English language lends to the tale... But what I am pointing out is that angels DO have seed, and seed has purpose. And that purpose confounds the traditional Christian view.
We do know that YHWH has a special love of family, and of children, and a respect for elders and patriarchy/matriarchy - All of these principle things perish without marriage - To presume these things to be of no value in the Kingdom (or absent therefrom) is an astonishing leap to make from a solitary verse. Rather, I will take the view that such things reside within a different paradigm within the House of YHWH... A House in and of itself presumes family, children, continuity of elders, continuity of eldresses... How it works is beyond my ken (and everyone elses), but in my mind, is the safer speculation.
Careful now... ALL Israel is blind in part, not just Judah... Ephraim's blindness was Replacement Theology, which is thankfully beginning to be removed...
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>> “Careful now... ALL Israel is blind in part, not just Judah” <<
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Not so!
The apostles were sent to nobody but “the lost sheep of the House of Israel.” (and those that sojourned with them)
That is who all of the epistles were written to. They were all returning to their roots as prophesied by Hosea. They (not Judah) were the divorced wife. They were who Hosea’s life as a prophet symbolized.
They were also the mystery of Romans 7. How was Israel to be taken back as the bride without violating Torah? The answer: Her husband had died for her.
How could the bride be blinded? It was just sloppy translation of the epistle to the Romans from Paul’s Hebrew to Greek.
This is heavy stuff. Nobody wants to hear it; it spoils everyone’s painless eschatology.
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Please clarify....
After the time of Solomon, the Kingdom of Israel split in two: The Northern Kingdom, called 'The House of Israel', consisted of 10 of the tribes... The Southern Kingdom, called 'The House of Judah' consisted of two of the tribes. It is the Southern Kingdom, The House of Judah which eventually became known as 'Jews', as the Northern Kingdom, known variously as The House of Israel, Ephraim, Joseph, etc, was long since seeded into the nations in diaspora.
That split is a continued theme in the Prophecy - Without that understanding, the prophets are impossible to interpret, as is a large portion of the NT...
Nevertheless, she is - Song of Solomon alludes to her lackadaisical relationship to her groom... And I lean upon Zeke's 'binding of the two sticks' in Messiah...
Ephraim loves her idols, and has been all wrapped up in Rome, blind as a bat, for most of the time since Yeshua walked in Galilee.
I do not see the two, Ephraim and Judah, as resolving one into the other - They have both been horribly wrong throughout the last 2k years... I don't see the Jews suddenly seeing the light and joining the protestants or the catlicks... Nor will Christians, by and large, suddenly bow to the Wisdom of the Elders... I think Judah will see, and will believe, and will be able to show their brother the error of their ways as Ephraim comes to yearn for Torah... And Ephraim will be able to teach Judah much about Messiah that has been hidden from Judah's eyes....
Remember, Judah was widowed too - The Bride is the two, Judah and Ephraim, together as ONE woman, as Israel was before the split... That will take the discarding of man made tradition from both directions... And you and I, especially, can see that happening. Messianic Christians are different from Messianic Jews, but the two are far closer than their forefathers would have ever predicted...
And Judah will no more make Ephraim jealous, and Ephraim will no longer vex Judah...
This is heavy stuff. Nobody wants to hear it; it spoils everyone’s painless eschatology.
Yeah, I know.
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