U.S. Archbishop: Using Contraception is Always ‘Evil’

LifeSite News ^ | 6/5/18 | Lisa Bourne

[Elsie]

... the sacred act of sex …

Is this why my wife says OH GOD!!! so much??

[Elsie]

WHEEEeee!!!

I'm glad THAT's over!

Now we got three weeks of FUN!!!

[Mrs. Don-o]

" Their prayer lives are not the reason they are doing the NFP."

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"You seem to be missing the point in a big way."

You, first of all, don't know whether their prayers lives are the reason they are doing the NFP. Their prayer life may be centrally involved in the process and the motivation--- and usually is, at least as far as I can see.

Second, the impulse to attribute non-prayerful, non-God-pleasing reasons for NFP, even among the most ardent of believers --- who are the very ones most likely to opt for NFP --- shows a most unattractive reflex to assume the worst of others, rather than be best.

Third, all the NFP literature I have seen (from the Christian, rather than the health/selfcare/medical sources) emphasizes the importance of prayer and utter reliance on God.

You are very much mistaken about these people. Please, dear metmom, consider this in your heart.

[Elsie]

A free will directred toward contraception is in conflict with Gopd’s Will, as expressed both is Biblical teaching and in Natural Law.

If you folks REALLY believed GOD wanted sex for procreation; you'd 'abstain' for 3 weeks instead of ONE!!

[Mrs. Don-o]

Ha!

[Elsie]

In direct defiance of what Paul wrote; Rome’s ‘Mary’ is described as PERMANENTLY abstaining; while her husband is permanently deprived; even of NFP.

[Elsie]

There was a thread some time back about a Catholic couple, who agreed to live in a platonic, sexless marriage, and they were championed for it.

There is a cult (maybe that word is a bit strong) that embraces the idea of a Jewish couple. One that lived in a platonic, sexless marriage; claiming that is such a holy and ideal state to be in.

[Elsie]

Neither did Jesus or St. Paul, both of whom were, like Naumann, celibate.

And you KNOW this about Paul; HOW?

[Elsie]

Reading and posting in this thread has given me an urge to get off this computer and awaken the wife...

[Shethink13]

If you folks REALLY believed GOD wanted sex for procreation; you'd 'abstain' for 3 weeks instead of ONE!

So God doesn’t really want us to procreate? Is that what you’re saying? He just wants us to hump like animals cuz it’s fun? Geez - who knew?

It is a simple concept. I don’t see why you fail to comprehend it unless it’s deliberate. Every sexual act must be open to new life.

[Elsie]

Cause you all sure seem to treat it as if it's a virtue of some kind, just like sex is bad or something.

 

 

It MUST be; or else what LOGICAL (or biblical) reason would the Catholic Church INSIST that M&J NEVER had sexual relations?

 

 

[Elsie]

Forget the WIFE!

I now have an urge to write a limerick!!

[Mrs. Don-o]

The abstinence method never intentionally impairs the fertility of a sexual act, as contraception does. And therein lies the problem with the drug-devices-surgery methods: the directly deliberate disabling of the "gift of self" which is marital union.

Ethically, any directly intended disabling of a bodily organ or system --- whether an eye, an ear, a leg, the reproductive system --- is morally objectionable.

When I say "directly intended," that means "not as a therapeutic measure." For instance, removal of a cancerous uterus. When I say "disabling," that means blocking normal function, whether temporarily or permanently.

It's particularly unethical with regards to the reproductive system, since (1) sex is sacred, meaning at least that you don't target parts of it to split off and reject, and (2) the cumulative results of a whole society accepting the premises (rejection of natural sex and fertility) is destroying a understanding of natural gender and sexual identity, destroying natural marriage as an institution, shrinking and weakening families, nations, and civilizations.

Note what contraception (as a mentality and as a technique) has "accomplished" in 50 years. It's the gateway of the "Culture of Death."

Think I'm kidding? Look around you.

[Shethink13]

And you KNOW this about Paul; HOW?

Probably the same way you know that Mary did not remain a virgin.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"My free will allows me do as I choose concerning birth control."

My body my choice! Right on!

PP/LGBT

[Elsie]

What do you mean by the little blue pill?
is it something to take when you’re ill??
When your head has an ache,
It’s an aspirin you take.
That’s the cure when you’re needing a thrill.

[Elsie]

I am sure I have a 10 foot pole around here, for not touching things with.

I; for one; am NOT going to go for this bait that has just been tossed in front of me!

[Elsie]

Does no good; as I can’t read Hebrew.

I can; however; read the ENGLISH translation of Hebrew words on that web page.

Is that any better than English words found in various translations of whole bible sources?

[Mrs. Don-o]

"I guess if two married people aren’t humping every second of every day to make more Catholic babies that’s evil too."

Code Toad, I like you and I usually find your comments are sensible, or at least plausible.

Really, I do.

However, that was so ... misinformed. But open-minded as you are, I am confident you are open to better information.

(1) Nobody has ever said, ever, that Catholic married couples have to have as many babies as they are physically able to have. Never.

(2) As for "birth control", a limited periodic abstinence (approx 1 week of every month), mutually agreed, is the only method which is

• effective,
• unoffensive to any religion,
• truly private,
• fully workable,
• free of charge,
• has no medical side effects,
• does not (like the hormonal products)get into your watershed and make male fish and amphibians develop eggs in their testicles,
• does not make you dependent on the pharmaceutical industry from menarche to menopause, and
• cannot be used coercively by the State.

The evidence of each of these claims has been published many times RIGHT HERE ON FREE REPUBLIC (LINK)

It's worth a click.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Oh, and there's this:

Natural Family Planning Method As Effective As Contraceptive Pill, New Research Finds

BTW, that's from Science Daily, not the Rosary Society of Mary Immaculate.