Posted on 06/10/2018 6:42:31 PM PDT by marshmallow
The constant drumbeat by some in all religions concerning birth control can only give the conclusion that any and all attempts to have a child must be taken is what leads my conclusion.
Your #1, not true. I’ve heard time and time again throughout my life that as many babies as possible is desired.
Your #2, true, but I could care less what someone else’s religious or personal views may be. Their opinions are not superior to mine or anyone else’s.
This religious view that sex is for only making babies has caused far too much social disorder and unhappiness. It brings about the view that the naked body is disgusting. Yes, I know women who have said they have never seen their ultra religious husbands naked. I had one fellow at work claim women showing their ankles were “just whores”.
People are failing to allow sexual desire to be what it is, and, instead, they try to make rules and judgments around it that are counter productive to the human race reproducing, much less enjoying their bodies.
I have attended 5,000 - 7,000 parish Masses in my lifetime, and I have never heard contraception denounced or even discussed. Not once.
The whole movement for NFP has been carried forward almost exclusively by Catholic doctors, nurses, and other volunteer NFP instructors, as well as intelligent, committed experienced married Catholic laypeople. Prominently, (and I give them the gold star) the savvy Couple to Couple League (LINK)
Very cool and worth a click.
To your post, here is an academic article on the subject.
If you want to find scholarly articles, and not just pop-culture gibberish, use something like Google Scholar and find articles that have some level of academic rigor.
These are articles published in scientific publications, conform to academic rules, and are subject to peer review. They are void of commercialism, politics, unsubstantiated and unreferenced statements, and provide conclusions that also include additional further studies the paper did not include. They are fact-based and limit any opinions.
I use it and EndNote, but EndNote is not free.
Like a file system, you can create folders to keep your references and organize them by folders. It integrates with browsers, so capturing a reference is really easy.
I think you'll find your travels on FR and the rest of the Internet is made easier when you can have all those references at your fingertips.
Not.
It may interest you that Mother Teresa's religious order, the Missionaries of Charity (MC), has taught over 100,000 low-income couples in India to use NFP to space or delay pregnancies.
That's as of a couple of years ago. Probably much higher now.
From what I hear, Catholic, Hindu or whatever, couples are absolutely delighted to learn how their bodies work, and how to space or delay pregnancies (or prevent or even achieve pregnancies, as they choose) in a way that strengthens the marriage, has no drug/device side effects, is inoffensive to religious morals and and doesn't cost them a cent.
That's how a sane society would define "reproductive freedom."
So I guess my issue is not about his celibacy it's about his job. As I think about it the man who first disciple me taught me a ton about many biblical concepts about marriage and that man was celibate.
Natural Family Planning Method As Effective As Contraceptive Pill, New Research Finds.
BTW, that's from Science Daily, not the Rosary Society of Mary Immaculate.
You are a human being, right? Every part of your body is sacred. By which I mean at the least (lest you misunderstand): To be treated with reasonable ethics and due respect. Not to be treated as trash. Cf. imago Dei..
For instance,it would be a sin with direct nontherapeutic intent to disable the prefrontal lobe of your brain, maim your genitals, remove a normal eye or an ear for sheer preference, or intentionally (intentionally) put your sperm anywhere but in your wife's genital tract.
This "up the butt, down the throat or into the throwaway baggie" stuff shows contempt. No wonder why people first desacralize, then depersonalize, finally dehumanize their sexuality, and call their generative organs "junk".
That's why women get the new, "improved," long-acting hormonal injections, implants and transdermals, Mifepristone + Misoprostol anytime in the first trimester (do it twice to be sure!) , and for that matter, why women in their 30's get elective hysterectomies.
Consider the total post-op tranny.
That'll stop the babies, all right.
God allows us to wreck ourselves. Not His "active," but His "permissive" will: He's warned you, and yet He lets you choose your poison.
It is so pathetic.
Contracepted intercourse embeds in a society the necessary premise (my choice, and I can disconnect sex from fertility if I want) that later justifies abortion and homosexual intercourse. Both of both these accept the key premise, and --- though by a different route--- achieve this "disconnect" in a definitive way.
If you have intercourse during the non-fertile three weeks of the cycle, the temporary infertility IS the natural consequence.
You can also ...umm...double down in Fertile Week if you want to use NFP to achieve pregnancy.
NFP couples say NFP deepens their knowledge and appreciation of God's sacred design of natural sexuality.
I have never heard a couple claim that for contraception.
That’s your opinion bro. Naturally, I don’t agree with you, and more than likely, never will, but you keep telling yourself whatever it is that you keep telling yourself, and in the end, we shall see who is right and who is wrong. Remember the Queen of the South and the men of Ninevah.
Now, I have no desire to discuss anything further with you. Have a nice eternity, wherever you happen to spend it. Now, I am DONE with you. Bye.
Some are rare (e.g. inability to achieve normal intercourse), some are rarer (sickness/hospitalization of one or both spouses) and one is so rare as to be singular (your wife is God's baby-mama.)
Since you've heard that so many times, surely you could cite me one time (source/link)? Because I have never heard this, certainly never from a Catholic source, and I am 66 years old and have been really, really paying attention.
"This religious view that sex is for only making babies..." (My bold typeface.)
I have heard that, but only from Heredi Jews, bless their hearts. Their religious practice actually requires abstinence during the infertile part of the cycle.
Hasidic source (LINK): The Torah says to count seven days of your cycle, but the Rabbis say to count five days of your cycle followed by seven days of no bleeding to make it twelve. An average woman ovulates on – you guessed it – Day 12 of her menstrual cycle. So mikvah visits (see below) on Day 12 coincide with optimal days to get pregnant which was typically expected of married couples for most of history."
Never heard that or anything like it from a Christian source.
But I am open to evidence. Perhaps you will oblige?
WE can have a cordial discussion this point by point, if you wish. I'm here to learn.
Oh-— thank you. I appreciate these links. I am always grateful for resources.
That is interesting. Thank you, DungeonMaster.
I now have an urge to write a limerick!!
We probably think similarly, so maybe you could decide to do both, but I don’t know which one you should do first, or why. 😁
Which defeats the whole point of marriage at all.
Why even get married then?
And then people wonder where others get the idea that their organization thinks sex is bad and sinful and dirty after holding up sexless marriage and continual virginity as the ideal.
Sex also establishes the one flesh relationship between man and woman, which is a spiritual union as well as a physical one.
People who think that sex is just for making babies miss the whole point of it.
When God created mankind, He gave them BOTH the desire for it and the means to fulfill it and sometimes , but not every time, it results in children.
But Catholic reasoning as we’ve seen on this tread, then Elsie is right. Not only should it happen only in one one week period, once the woman s pregnant, all sex should stop because it’s being done only for pleasure, the very thing Catholics have been condemning on this and other related threads.
And included should be couples where the woman has had a hysterectomy and where she has reached menopause.
Since there is no opportunity for procreation in those situations, then the sex is strictly for the fun of it.
Oh, the horror!!!!!!
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