Posted on 03/13/2019 6:40:19 AM PDT by Antoninus
Scripture is the only wholly God-inspired substantive standard, and reveals that even how in one generation significant declension from the Truth can occur. Already by the time of Paul there was teaching that the resurrection had already occurred, and who foretold of more, and by the time of John other false doctrines had arisen.
Those who look to uninspired writings of men as determinitive of what the NT church believed are insulting the Holy Spirit and thus Christ and the Father who provided the Scriptures.
Right. Other things that God didn’t tell us about:
Well ... Oz, for one thing.
Infant baptism.
Praying for dead folks.
Sainthood awarded for performing “miracles”.
Mary hearing prayers.
Confessing to a mortal priest.
Pope.
“Purgatory doesn’t work because suffering for sin does not atone for them or remove them.”
Purgatory is about cleansing. Cleansing can mean suffering. But it is Christ’s grace that is at work.
“That was cherry picking a verse out of context.”
Your opinion.
“You do realize that it also means that theres NEVER any way out.”
Nonsense. Christ’s grace is the way out and that’s what is at work in Purgatory.
“You cant pay a debt when you are locked up in debtors prison and cant work to earn money to pay it.”
Your analogy is flawed. A man can pay off a debt in debtor’s prison if he works in prison. Also, it is God grace working in Purgatory - NOT US.
Placemarker
What I personally find amusing is that there isn’t any response to the actual words of the Apostles that have been quoted.
So you’re admitting that we’re part of the Body of Christ too?
That’s progress.
You are correct, but more weight is placed on the words of a pope than on Gods Words.
Youre questioning their non-biblical narrative.
Of course I am.
Many Catholics around here have condemned me right to eternal death for being Christian and not Roman Catholic.
So it’s nice to have someone acknowledge being part of the Body of Christ.
What bitterness consumes you! I asked politely and Vlad posted politely. Does that bother you? ... Now, when I get time to do it, I intend to read every single entry he gave and ponder it. That is the least I can do in response to such polite discourse. You, OTH, not so much.
Thank you. I intend to read it all when I get time to do so in opne sitting. BBL
The Bible does not teach perfect holiness in the body or in a intermediate state. We dont have to be perfect to go to heaven because Satan and his angels appear before God in heaven and they have no purity in works or nature to be allowed before God. If the trials of fire didn’t perfect you while you lived in your body what makes you think fire can burn away impurities afterward?
This is EXACTLY why I don't read your data-dump posts. Thanks for explaining it so clearly.
You mean thanks for affirming so clearly that you prefer uninspired writings of men as determinitive of what the NT church believed and thus insulting the Holy Spirit.
From here; we build on NOTIONS.
1 John 4 English Standard Version (ESV)
1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. 4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
No, not the insubstantial patristic polemics, just the wresting of scriptural quotations, such as making the the devil the fellowservant, and a the sin against him to a venial sin; and "be perfect" as perfect in character via RCP (RC Purgatory), and a desire for mercy at the Lord's coming into a prayer for one in RCP; and Abraham's bosom, a place of comfort, into RCP; and the unfaithful servant who is appointed him his portion with the unbelievers as being in RCP; and the heretical baptism for the dead for the dead as not cleansing from sin but referring to RCP; etc.!
I mean, the work but this so-called Scripture Catholic, which goes beyond what Rome officially teaches, is a amazing example of just what I referred to, a wanton wresting of Scripture to support a tradition of men following their programming, compelled by cultic faith and allegiance to a fallible unholy church
Thanks for invite still, I will try to remember to ping you went I am done, though post 49 and 50 already have exposed some of the sophistry.
That he which speaketh blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, that it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come [Matthew 12:32].
SURE he does!!
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, Did God really say, You must not eat from any tree in the garden?
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