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"I beseech you to pray unto our Lord for me" ~ Ancient Roots of the Doctrine of Purgatory
Gloria Romanorum ^ | 9/2/17 | Florentius

Posted on 03/13/2019 6:40:19 AM PDT by Antoninus

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For the feast of Saint Gregory the Great which was yesterday on the traditional calendar.

This is quite a long article including additional passages from Saint Gregory the Great, so I'm excerpting.

1 posted on 03/13/2019 6:40:19 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
[I]t is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Hebrew 9:27.
2 posted on 03/13/2019 6:44:29 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Antoninus

And yet, not a word about Purgatory from the Apostles in the New Testament. How sad that Peter, Paul, John, James, Matthew, etc. all missed this important doctrine.

So great that later Christians were so much wiser than them, and finally got it....


3 posted on 03/13/2019 6:45:05 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Antoninus

You are preaching a FALSE GOSPEL

You are now rebuked in the Name of Jesus Christ from preaching this false ‘gospel”

Galatians 1:8

“”But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.””


4 posted on 03/13/2019 6:51:44 AM PDT by RevelationDavid
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To: Jim 0216

“[I]t is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Hebrew 9:27.”

Purgatory in no way stops anyone from dying ONCE - in fact that’s what has to happen for you to get there.

So what’s your point?


5 posted on 03/13/2019 6:56:28 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: AnalogReigns

“And yet, not a word about Purgatory from the Apostles in the New Testament.”

How many words in the NT from the Apostles are about the doctrines of the Trinity?

Canon of scripture?


6 posted on 03/13/2019 6:57:59 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: RevelationDavid

“You are preaching a FALSE GOSPEL”

It’s not a false gospel. Purgatory is about Christ’s grace cleansing souls. That is part of the gospel.


7 posted on 03/13/2019 6:59:08 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: RevelationDavid
Did you actually read the article? You are saying that Gregory of Nyssa and Gregory the Great preached a false Gospel -- and that we didn't figure out the true Gospel until a millennium later.

Doesn't that seem just a bit odd?
8 posted on 03/13/2019 7:13:42 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Antoninus

If Purgatory is needed to cleanse souls then why was Yeshua crucified? His dying saved those of us who believe in Him. If Purgatory is needed then it is by works and not the blood of Christ that saves us. Don’t need any more “cleansing”.


9 posted on 03/13/2019 7:14:37 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: AnalogReigns
And yet, not a word about Purgatory from the Apostles in the New Testament.

Another one who didn't read. Gregory the Great cites both Christ himself and Saint Paul in his writings on Purgatory. See above.
10 posted on 03/13/2019 7:16:03 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: vladimir998

If we can in any way pay for our sins, Christ’s death was insufficient.

The Catholic doctrine of purgatory is error, and a false gospel.


11 posted on 03/13/2019 7:16:22 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Antoninus

Typical heresy of adding to scripture throu bringing ideas to the. I left.

“4th century work by Saint Gregory of Nyssa, ”

Funny they call this “ancient”... more than 500 years after Christ.

There is no purgatory in Scripture.


12 posted on 03/13/2019 7:23:16 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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“If we can in any way pay for our sins, Christ’s death was insufficient.”

1) Purgatory is NOT about any human person paying for his or her sins.

2) The existence of Purgatory in no way at all means Christ’s death was insufficient because it is precisely Christ’s death on the Cross and the grace won by it that powers the cleansing we call Purgatory or Final Theosis.

“The Catholic doctrine of purgatory is error, and a false gospel.”

No, the error is in your understanding. Maybe you should learn what Purgatory is before you post attacks getting it wrong.


13 posted on 03/13/2019 7:23:20 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Antoninus

“and that we didn’t figure out the true Gospel until a millennium later.“

God has always *and in every age* had His people who knew the truth and refused to bow their knees to Baal.


14 posted on 03/13/2019 7:26:04 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Antoninus
Funny they call this “ancient”... more than 500 years after Christ.

...and one who can't count. 4th century is the 300s. So 300 years after Christ....and only a few decades after the last great persecution.

So answer me this. If Gregory of Nyssa got this wrong....then *why the flip didn't anyone correct him*?

Find me one theologian of the 300s that said "Gee Greg...you're flat wrong on this one." ONE.

So either the whole church..every single Christian theologian was corrupted *at the same time*....

OR, more likely,

you are the one who was wrong and this is what the early Church believed from the beginning.

Oh but wait...I can think of two people who "corrected" Gregory of Nyssa. Luther. 1500 years after Christ. And you. 2000 years after Christ.

I'll take 300 over a couple of millenia, thank you very much.

15 posted on 03/13/2019 7:48:00 AM PDT by Claud
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Roman Catholic theology, for example, allows for prayers both to the dead and on behalf of them. But even Catholic authorities admit that there is no explicit authorization for prayers on behalf of the dead in the sixty-six books of canonical Scripture. Instead, they appeal to the Apocrypha (2 Maccabees 12:45), church tradition, the decree of the Council of Trent, etc., to defend the practice.


16 posted on 03/13/2019 7:57:50 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: AnalogReigns
How sad that Peter, Paul, John, James, Matthew, etc. all missed this important doctrine.

Missed it did they?

"For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus. Now if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay stubble: Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire."
What does saved as by fire mean?

When Christ says in Matt 12:32 "but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come", what does that imply?

17 posted on 03/13/2019 8:01:19 AM PDT by Claud
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To: vladimir998
1) Purgatory is NOT about any human person paying for his or her sins.

Your own catechism says "expiation" ...

18 posted on 03/13/2019 8:04:39 AM PDT by dartuser
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From the epitaph of Abercius, a bishop who died in Phrygia ca. A.D. 167:

"He that discerneth these things, every fellow-believer, let him pray for Abercius"

Carved right in stone, the evidence of prayers for the dead. Christians who were buried in the first centuries asked the people reading their gravestones to pray for them.

Why? Why would they do that?

19 posted on 03/13/2019 8:13:53 AM PDT by Claud
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To: AnalogReigns
And yet, not a word about Purgatory from the Apostles in the New Testament. How sad that Peter, Paul, John, James, Matthew, etc. all missed this important doctrine.

Or Immaculate conception, or assumption, or a Pope, or a Christian priesthood, or a Christian Priesthood that must be manned by unmarried effeminate men, or nuns, or transubstantiation....

20 posted on 03/13/2019 8:16:37 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (...the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by Whom the world has been crucified to me.)
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