"I beseech you to pray unto our Lord for me" ~ Ancient Roots of the Doctrine of Purgatory

Gloria Romanorum ^ | 9/2/17 | Florentius

[af_vet_1981]

Your penchant for fabricating responses you wish I made so you can justify your ignoring Truth I share with you is duly noted.

False

Who rejects the Nicene Creed and considers it another religion, not Christianity?

"Catholic belief is succinctly expressed in the profession of faith or credo called the Nicene Creed:

[MHGinTN]

You poor thing, where did I reject The Nicene Creed? Rave on, son ...

[MHGinTN]

Keep striving to obtain that which God gives by His Grace not your merits. Hell ain’t half full is how they say it around here ...

[af_vet_1981]

Keep striving to obtain ...

Action, active, working ...

[Luircin]

Keep striving to obtain ...

Action, active, working ...

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To quote the Apostle Paul: “And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.”

Paul says very clearly in Ephesians 2 that works are the result of salvation, not the cause.

Please stop accusing us of the antinomian heresy right now.

[af_vet_1981]

To quote the Apostle Paul: “And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.”

Paul says very clearly in Ephesians 2 that works are the result of salvation, not the cause.



Post 623 advised "Keep striving to obtain ..."

Sounds very familiar ...

Please stop accusing us of the antinomian heresy right now.

False;

Who rejects the Nicene Creed and considers it another religion, not Christianity?

[Luircin]

I dunno; I confess the Nicene Creed every week.

Stop telling falsehoods about me.

[af_vet_1981]

I dunno; I confess the Nicene Creed every week.

Good

Stop telling falsehoods about me.

False (bad)

[Luircin]

Then admit that I preach and teach that people should obey God’s Law even if they’re saved by grace, and stop accusing me otherwise.

[af_vet_1981]

Then admit that I preach and teach that people should obey God’s Law even if they’re saved by grace, and stop accusing me otherwise.

You preach and teach that Protestants/Evangelicals should profess the Nicene Creed. It is good to read you clearly say so.

[MHGinTN]

So who has done that? ... Try to be truthful

[af_vet_1981]

Who confesses the Nicene Creed ?

[af_vet_1981]

... Try to be truthful

Strive

• Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
• As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
• If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

First Peter, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses one to three,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[MHGinTN]

Question is not an answer, but I really did not expect you to be honest after making your not so vague accusation.

[MHGinTN]

Belief is an act of the will, a function of the will. It is not strictly a mind exercise or emotional response, though these can prompt the will into action.

Repeating a creed is a nice way to 'get everyone on the same page', it does not save you. Repeating a creed to which you give mental agreement is not an act of the will but can prompt the will to action. Jesus told folks who claimed to have even cast out demons in His name 'Depart from Me, I never knew you.'

When the will turns to God in Christ our Savior it is then that we are known of Him, and the change will show in the behavior of that man or woman.

I would caution you regarding creeds and rituals which soothe the mind and emotions but are not from the will:

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you

You recite The Nicene Creed and believe with your will that Faith in Christ has birthed you from above, you do well. You repetitiously chant creeds and rosaries and incantations believing that your doing warrants salvation ... and you are lost and in the disposition Jesus spoke of in Matthew 7 above.

[af_vet_1981]

Question is not an answer, but I really did not expect you to be honest after making your not so vague accusation.

False

The issue at hand regarding the Nicene Creed is post 616 which erroneously asserted Catholicism
" has 'evolved' since the first centuiry [SIC] into another religion, not Christianity."

The Nicene Creed embodies Christianity and as post 621 explained and linked,
"Catholic belief is succinctly expressed in the profession of faith or credo called the Nicene Creed:"

Therefore Catholicism remains Christianity.

An analogy can be found in the history of the Jews and Samaritans. The Samaritans thought the Jewish religion was in error and had set up their own in opposition. The Messiah made clear to the Samaritan woman that they did not really know what they worshiped and that the Jews did know for salvation is of the Jews. The Samaritans, like the Protestants/Evangelicals had no new revelation. Everything true that they had came from those who preceded them. Their rebellion and bigotry against the Jews was plainly wrong, as was bigotry by Jews against Samaritans for there were good Samaritans. It is the Messiah's will that there be one body, one holy catholic and apostolic Church. The Samaritans thought they were right, but they were not.

[af_vet_1981]

Repeating a creed is a nice way to 'get everyone on the same page', it does not save you.

Does calling on the name of the LORD save one?

Does confessing Jesus is LORD save one?

Does confessing Jesus before men save one?

[MHGinTN]

For some reason you sound like you're arguing with your soul, kicking against the still small voice ... BTW, the thread was about the catholiciism doctrine of purgatory.

[MHGinTN]

I commend you for not capitalizing 'catholic' since you know that term refers to all believers not just your org.

Except for your religions assertion that the last Apostle(s) passed Apostleship to your agreed upon by your religion's leadership, well except for that assertion you have no living member of the twelve.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Please stop accusing us of the antinomian heresy right now.”

I’m not antinomian.

I’m be necronomian.