Luther: The Life and Legacy of the German Reformer

Likewise those of us who believe Christ is present Body and Blood in His sacrament will stick with what the Holy Spirit inspired inscripture and leave you to seek. We all see through a glass darkly.

I would think it would be a heresy to claim the HS purposely made Scripture unclear.(Where in the Bible does it say that?) But it does have to be studied and not every Tom, Dick, and Harry can and should attempt to interpret. The CC came before the Bible. The Bible was written for the CC, comes from the CC, and is to be interpreted only by the CC in its teaching authority that is protected from error.

Any interpretation outside of the CC is not with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and often is erroneous. So in that sense I do agree with you that no one can infallibly interpret scripture. No one outside of the Church’s teaching authority that is. And because there has been attempts to interpret outside the Church, theological anarchy has ensued starting with the very first “reformers”. The fruits? thousands of man-made churches claiming to have conflicting Truth. This fact is all I need to know. As such I do not want to have any part with these fallible man-made churches.

“ I would think it would be a heresy to claim the HS purposely made Scripture unclear.”

He did. He also didn’t provide the answers to all the questions you can ask.

Nor has rome, in more than a millennia, ever released a commentary of every passage of scripture and exactly what it means.

“ The CC came before the Bible. The Bible was written for the CC, comes from the CC, and is to be interpreted only by the CC”

Now you’re just silly!

2/3 of scripture was written before the time of Christ.

I think you’ve demonstrated a lack of training in Scripture, history, language, etc.

I will not accept a decree from the homosexual church.

>>2/3 of scripture was written before the time of Christ

And the last third written by the Church.

And the Church decided what was inspired and what was not.

>>I will not accept a decree from the homosexual church.

All Churches have sinners. But unlike Protestant Churches, the CC does not accept divorce (forbidden explicitly by Jesus), contraception, and homosexuality.

“ And the last third written by the Church.”

Ah! The prideful Roman Rooster emerges, to claim his crowing makes the sun rise!

Sorry, Christians know God purpose to inspire men, the Holy Spirit moved them to write, and God worked in time to preserve His Word.

How pathetic to steal the glory from God!

“ All Churches have sinners. But unlike Protestant Churches, the CC does not accept divorce (forbidden explicitly by Jesus), contraception, and homosexuality.”

Ha! You let people out of marriages, catholics have few children these days, and your priesthood is gay.

Father Steve boinks Father Charles, while high on drugs- in the Vatican!

And the (multiple popes) do nothing.

https://gloria.tv/post/QJgkoWSAgYPe6J2qJoCbtgzg1

>>Sorry, Christians know God purpose to inspire men, the Holy Spirit moved them to write, and God worked in time to preserve His Word.

Yep, all done thru his Church, the Catholic Church.

>>Ha! You let people out of marriages,

Nope. Only marriages that never were.

>> catholics have few children these days,

But the Truth remains. Prots have changed what to truth is to suit their worldly desires.(Henry VIII, Lambeth) as it has from the very beginning.

>>and your priesthood is gay.

Again, doesn’t change the Truth the Church holds. Prots have discarded the Truth to suit their worldly desires and continue to do so.

You’re denying reality.

Not a thing I can do to add facts or evidence.

I will leave you to your homo priesthood.

You havent added any facts or evidence.

Still would like to know how two different believers given
the “indwelling spirit” can come up with two versions of the Truth.

One Truth found in one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

>>I will leave you to your homo priesthood.

And I to your homosexual pastors

You havent added any facts or evidence.

I don't believe facts or evidence has any effect on you, based on your posts.

The Vatican allows homosexuals to work and party there, as documented in media reports. I already gave you a link.
30-80% of the Catholic priesthood is gay, depending on the survey you believe.
"An estimated 28 percent of American Catholic adults who have ever been married have since divorced, according to the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at Georgetown University."

All of these are contrary to your claims.

Start there.

Frankly, I expect you to justify these facts, based on your previous responses.

Just because there are homosexual sinners in the Church does not mean the Church approves of sodomy. On the other hand, Prots DO think sodomy is A-Ok, thanks to the "indwelling spirit": *********************************************** Aglipayan Church - officially known as Philippine Independent Church or Iglesia Filipina Independiente. The church has adopted an official and binding position of inclusion and full acceptance of LGBT individuals and organizations since 2017 after the question of inclusiveness was raised in an official leadership meeting by a gay member of the church in 2014. Its youth organization wing has also repeatedly elected presidents, vice presidents, and executives who belong to the Filipino LGBT youth sector.[2] Anglican Church of Korea[3] NOTE: The Anglican church has some clergy and congregations that support LGBT rights. Anglican Church of Southern Africa[4] NOTE: The Anglican church defines marriage as between a man and a woman, but does allow for the ordination of gay and lesbian clergy.[5] Bishop Mervyn Castle of False Bay was openly gay and celibate.[6] Also, for lay people, "Anglican bishops from across southern Africa have resolved that gay and lesbian partners who enter same-sex civil unions under South African law should be welcomed into congregations as full members of the church."[7][4] The Diocese of Saldanha Bay has proposed the blessing of same-sex unions with the bishop's support.[8] Hyanglin Church in Korea[citation needed] Church of South India[9][10] NOTE: The CSI opened ordination to transgender persons, has ministries specifically for transgender rights and some clergy support gay rights. The CSI is among the Anglican churches that "are open to changing Church doctrine on marriage in order to allow for same-sex unions" according to the BBC.[11] Evangelical Church of India[citation needed] Members Church of God International (Known as Ang Dating Daan as their Presiding Minister Bro. Eliseo Soriano is a Prominent Member of LGBT)[citation needed] United Church of Christ in Japan[12] United Church of Christ in the Philippines[13] Uniting Reformed Church in Southern Africa (Southern Synod)[14] Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa (NGK) NOTE: Each congregation may determine its own decision on gay marriage and gay ministers.[15] However, in November 2016 the Extraordinary Synod formally defined marriage as "a commitment between one man and one woman" and gay sex as a sin. Congregations are allowed to deny employment to married gays, but also allowed to define their own position. However, on 8 March 2019 a Pretoria high court judgment overturned the Dutch Reformed Church's decision not to recognise same-sex unions within the church. The Church decided not to appeal the decision. [1][96] Methodist Church of Southern Africa[16] NOTE: The church "accepts same-sex relationships (as long as such relationships are not...marriage)". Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa[17] NOTE: Each minister may exercise his or her conscience and support same-sex unions Open Table Metropolitan Community Church[citation needed] North America Anglican MCCNY, a church in New York City. Grace Gospel Chapel, in Seattle. All Saints Anglican Missionary Society[citation needed] Episcopal Church (United States)[18] Evangelical Anglican Church In America[citation needed] The Progressive Episcopal Church[citation needed] Baptist Alliance of Baptists[citation needed] Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists[citation needed] Cooperative Baptist Fellowship[19] NOTE: Each congregation determines its own position Catholic American National Catholic Church[20][21] Catholic Apostolic Church in North America[citation needed] Communion of Synodal Catholic Churches[citation needed] Ecumenical Catholic Church[citation needed] Ecumenical Catholic Communion[citation needed] Eucharistic Catholic Church[citation needed] Evangelical Catholic Church[citation needed] Independent Catholic Christian Church[citation needed] The North American Catholic Ecumenical Church Old Catholic Church[22] Old Catholic Church-Charismatic Rite[23] The Old Catholic Church, Province of the United States --TOCCUSA[citation needed] United Catholic Church[citation needed] St. Aidan of Lindisfarne Celtic Church Maui Lutheran Evangelical Lutheran Church in America[citation needed] Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada[citation needed] Methodist United Methodist Church's General Conference, voted forward a conservative "Traditional plan", defeating the more liberal "One Church plan." No discretion is allowed to ordain gay, lesbian, or bisexual clergy in same-gender relationships, or marry gay couples.[24] There is no prohibition on the ordination of transgender clergy and the Judicial Council ruled, in 2007, that transgender clergy can remain ordained.[25][26] The United Methodist News Service reiterated that there is no rule against transgender clergy.[27] The vote on the "Traditional Plan" was 53 percent in favor to 47 opposed.[28] The Judicial Council reviewed the plan and upheld 10 petitions while declaring 7 petitions, approximately 40 percent of the plan, unconstitutional.[29][30][31] UMC's Book of Discipline Article 4. [Inclusiveness of the Church] includes this statement: "All persons without regard to race, color, national origin, status, or economic condition, shall be eligible to attend its worship services... " and later, within part 304.4: "The practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching. Therefore self-avowed practicing homosexuals are not to be certified as candidates, ordained as ministers, or appointed to serve in The United Methodist Church."[32] Previously, Annual Conferences had affirmed LGBT clergy and relationships through resolutions.[33][34][35][36][37] The South Carolina Annual Conference had passed a resolution supporting transgender rights.[38][39] The Western Jurisdiction elected the denomination's first openly and partnered lesbian bishop in 2016.[40] The North Central Jurisdiction considered an openly gay nominee for bishop although not elected.[41] Additionally, the Northeastern Jurisdiction passed a resolution supporting the option of allowing same-sex marriages.[42] On May 7, 2018 the Council of Bishops in the United Methodist Church, had proposed allowing individual pastors and regional church bodies to decide whether to ordain LGBT clergy and perform same-sex weddings, which came to be known as the One Church plan. Their proposal was rejected by the February 26, 2019 General Conference vote.[43] The highest level of the United Methodist Church will now strengthen punishments for 1) pastors who are practicing homosexuals, or 2) pastors who perform same-sex weddings. Nevertheless, the Western Jurisdiction, the German Central Conference, and other annual conferences within other jurisdictions have announced that they will not enforce the Traditional Plan and some of these have continued to ordain LGBTQ clergy.[44][45][46][47][48][49] United Church of Canada shares both the rich heritage of Methodist and Reform traditions. In 1925, Canadian Methodist Church, Canada, Congregationalists and Presbyterian Church in Canada united to form the United Church of Canada. Within the United Church of Canada, congregations decide if they are Affirming or if they perform same sex marriages. Over 150 United Church congregations are either Affirming or are in the process of becoming Affirming congregations. Pentecostal Affirming Pentecostal Church International Global Alliance of Affirming Apostolic Pentecostals Reconciling Pentecostals International Reformed Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)[citation needed] Reformed Church in America[50] NOTE: Gay pastors may serve congregations if they were ordained in another denomination; some member churches allow gay marriage. Presbyterian Church (USA)[51] United Church of Christ[citation needed] United Church of Canada Each individual congregation decides for itself whether or not to be Affirming or to solemnize same sex marriages. Over 150 United Church congregations are either Affirming or are in the process of becoming Affirming congregations. 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Ireland: Non-subscribing Presbyterian Church of Ireland[74] Ireland: Unitarian Churches in Ireland[75] Netherlands: Protestant Church in the Netherlands[76] Nordic and Baltic Episcopal Area Conferences of the United Methodist Church[77] Norway: Church of Norway[78] Portugal - Affirming Pentecostal Church International[citation needed] Romania - Unitarian Church of Transylvania[79] NOTE: The deputy bishop endorsed same-sex unions Spain: Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church and Spanish Evangelical Church[80] Sweden: Church of Sweden[81] Switzerland: Evangelical Lutheran Church in Geneva (Genf)[82] Switzerland: Swiss reformed churches in Swiss Reformed Church[83] Old Catholic Church in Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland[84] Poland - Christian United Church in Poland [85] United Kingdom (UK) Church of England[86][87] NOTE: The church defines marriage as between a man and a woman, but also supports same-sex civil partnerships.[88] "The church has no truck with homophobia and even supports clergy who are in civil partnerships."[89] The C of E allows prayers to follow a civil same-sex marriage, and allows civil partnerships for gay priests.[90] In 2016, the Bishop of Grantham came out as the first openly gay bishop in a relationship.[91] The C of E voted to affirm transgender people.[92] The church approved services to celebrate and mark a person's gender transition.[93] Church in Wales[94][95] NOTE: A majority supports same-sex marriage; the church said LGBT people can be “honest and open, respected and affirmed”. The church also permits gay priests to enter into civil partnerships.[96] The church voted to explore approving same-sex marriages and blessings for civil partnerships.[97] Church of Ireland congregations in Northern Ireland may be affirming NOTE: the denomination remains in conversation as a whole;[98] in 2011, a senior cleric entered into a same-sex civil partnership and kept his post.[99] Scottish Episcopal Church.[100][101][102] Church of Scotland[103] NOTE: The Church of Scotland voted to permit pastors to enter into same-sex marriages The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) [104][105] NOTE: Not all Quakers view themselves as Christian; they are however an historically Christian religious group. International Council of Community Churches[52] Methodist Church of Great Britain[106] NOTE: The church may bless civil same-sex marriages Unitarian and Free Christian Churches[107] United Ecumenical Catholic Church[citation needed] United Reformed Church[108][109] Affirming Pentecostal Church International (Wales)[citation needed] Latin America Argentina - Evangelical Methodist Church in Argentina[citation needed] Argentina - Evangelical Church of the River Plate[citation needed] Brazil - Affirming Pentecostal Church International[citation needed] Brazil - Christian Community of God (Authenticists)[citation needed] Brazil - Catholic Diversity[citation needed] Brazil - Anglican Episcopal Church of Brazil (since 1998)[110] Brazil - Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil[citation needed] Brazil - United Presbiterian Church[citation needed] Chile - Evangelical Lutheran Church of Chile[111] Chile - Lutheran Church in Chile[112] Colombia - Affirming Pentecostal Church International[citation needed] Colombia - Methodist Church of Colombia Openly LGBTQ+ pastors may serve in churches and also same saxe/same gender weddings can be celebrated. Costa Rica - Costa Rican Lutheran Church[113] Costa Rica - Episcopal Church of Costa Rica[114] Cuba - Episcopal Church of Cuba[115] El Salvador - Episcopal Anglican Church of El Salvador[116] Peru - Lutheran Church of Peru[117] Uruguay - Evangelical Church of Uruguay[citation needed] Australia Affirming congregations within the Anglican Church of Australia[118][119] NOTE: The Diocese of Perth, and other bodies, have voted to support same-sex relationships[120] The Diocese of Gippsland appointed an openly and partnered gay priest.[121] The Anglican Church of Australia does not have an official policy on homosexuality.[122] Uniting Church in Australia[citation needed] United Ecumenical Catholic Church in Australia[citation needed] Metropolitan Community Church[123] Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)[124] Australia and New Zealand Unitarian Universalist Association[125] New Zealand Anglican Church in New Zealand[126] NOTE: As of 2018, clergy may bless a same-sex union.[127] In 2014, the Anglican church voted to start a process toward allowing the blessing of same-sex relationships. The Dunedin Diocese already offers a "Liturgy for the Blessing of a Relationship" irrespective of gender.[128] The Anglican province has approved of allowing clergy "'to recognise in public worship' a same-gender civil union or state marriage of members of their faith community" with the bishop's permission.[129] Metropolitan Community Church in New Zealand[130] Presbyterian Church in Aotearoa New Zealand[131] NOTE: Individual congregations may be affirming, but the denomination is not affirming. 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Just because there are homosexual sinners in the Church does not mean the Church approves of sodomy.

The vatican allows homosexuals to work and party in the vatican.

The catholic seminaries are filled with homosexual students and professors.

The priesthood is largely gay.

Those are facts.

They are approved by multiple popes, cardinals, bishops, etc.

Say what you will, catholicism is largely gay.

Why is your church gay??

I do not attend any church you mentioned, which are as dead spiritually as the Catholic church. They have more in common with catholicism than any Christian church I know of.

So after that very detailed list of Prot Churches that affirm sodomy, me thinks something about removing the log from your own eye first comes to mind....

So after that very detailed list of Prot Churches that affirm sodomy, me thinks something about removing the log from your own eye first comes to mind....

would be true if any of those spiritually dead churches were my church.

None of them are.

If they were, I'd leave.

Christian churches do not allow homosexuals in ministry, nor to bugger children.

Yet, catholicism is largely gay and you seem to excuse it. Why??

They are spiritually dead?

No kidding! ALL Prot churches are spiritually dead as they were from the beginning. Its just recently that its becoming obvious with its embrace of sodomy, as if its embrace of divorce and contraception wasnt enough of an eyeopener. But dont worry, yours will become that way too, then you will have to jump to another, then another...

I don’t accept homosexuality in the Catholic Church. It is a plague that will be dealt with sooner or later in Gods good time. But it will not prevail in changing Church doctrine as it has in the Prot world.

But dont worry, yours will become that way too, then you will have to jump to another, then another...

I would leave. Churches die, as evidenced in the opening of Revelation.

I don’t accept homosexuality in the Catholic Church.

Apparently, you do.

But it will not prevail in changing Church doctrine as it has in the Prot world.

I wouldnt' know about the prot world. I'm a Christian.

As to homosexuality not prevailing...

The vatican approves

Cardinals approve

Bishops approve

30-80% of priests are gay.

And your church is not worshipping idols of Pachamama in the Vatican.

It is dead.

“But it(homosexuality) will not prevail in changing Church doctrine as it has in the Prot world.”

That’s a great point. Doctrine has not changed, sinners will always be in the world.

LOL! Tell me in the Church catechism that sodomy is ok?

Unlike the Prot world, our doctrine is protected by the Holy Spirit. We may have errant Popes Bishops and Priests, but the doctrine holds.So you can rail against them all you want, it means nothing to me. Prot doctrine changes with the whims of the leadership.

Tell me in the Church catechism that sodomy is ok?

What is claimed and what is allowed are different.

If it makes you feel good that there are things written down, as your priesthood boinks each other, well, that's on you bro.

Unlike the Prot world, our doctrine is protected by the Holy Spirit.

An assertion without basis.

it means nothing to me.

I concluded early on that reality means nothing to you, if you have something written somewhere.

Prot doctrine changes with the whims of the leadership.

An assertion without basis... but then I attend a Christian church and not a prot church...

Prot doctrine changes with the whims of the leadership.

>>An assertion without basis... but then I attend a Christian church and not a prot church

Well let me say non-Catholic church if that suits you better. Happens all the time, pastor decides x is the truth, someone disagrees, starts another church that claims y is the truth, rinse, repeat. 30K+ versions of the truth and counting.