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May I Attend SSPX Masses?
The Fatima Center ^ | July 6, 2020 | Kennedy Hall

Posted on 07/07/2020 4:17:30 PM PDT by ebb tide

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1 posted on 07/07/2020 4:17:30 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 07/07/2020 4:20:57 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Where are those SSPX society’s churches? Any in Chicago or Wisconsin ?


3 posted on 07/07/2020 4:39:01 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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To: ebb tide

I would steer clear of the SSPX unless you have no other alternatives. I’d even travel 2-3 hours to a Latin Mass offered by a priest affiliated with one of the traditional orders (Society of St. Peter, Institute of Christ the King, etc.) that does not have any questions about its canonical status.


4 posted on 07/07/2020 4:46:56 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("We're human beings ... we're not f#%&ing animals." -- Dennis Rodman, 6/1/2020)
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To: ebb tide
The highlighted item is mine:

As I explained in my Letter to the Catholic Bishops of last 10 March, the remission of the excommunication was a measure taken in the context of ecclesiastical discipline to free the individuals from the burden of conscience constituted by the most serious of ecclesiastical penalties. However, the doctrinal questions obviously remain and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry. -- Pope Benedict XVI, Ecclesiae Unitatem (7/2/2009)

5 posted on 07/07/2020 4:49:55 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("We're human beings ... we're not f#%&ing animals." -- Dennis Rodman, 6/1/2020)
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To: ebb tide
It was Pope John Paul II who declared the ordination of the four bishops to be a "schismatic" act in his Apostolic Letter dated July 2, 1988.

3. In itself, this act was one of disobedience to the Roman Pontiff in a very grave matter and of supreme importance for the unity of the church, such as is the ordination of bishops whereby the apostolic succession is sacramentally perpetuated. Hence such disobedience - which implies in practice the rejection of the Roman primacy - constitutes a schismatic act. - www.vatican.va

6 posted on 07/07/2020 4:55:17 PM PDT by Captain Walker
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To: Alberta's Child
Agreed.

Seeking shelter in a chapel run by the Safe Space of Pius X is NOT a solution to the Church's problems.

7 posted on 07/07/2020 4:58:15 PM PDT by Captain Walker
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To: Alberta's Child
I would steer clear of the SSPX unless you have no other alternatives.

Well that's exactly what happened during the scamdemic. The FSSP church I attended shut down all all Masses and sacraments for a lengthy period. The SSPX never did.

Why should I go back?

8 posted on 07/07/2020 5:02:33 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Bookmark.


9 posted on 07/07/2020 5:05:22 PM PDT by Orosius
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To: ebb tide

No, you cannot. This advise is false.


10 posted on 07/07/2020 5:06:42 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: ebb tide
The FSSP church shut down because the bishop ordered it. I have nothing but contempt for bishops who buckled to civil authorities in the matter, but an FSSP priest in a parish setting cannot disobey the local bishop.

The SSPX approach was inconsistent. Some of their biggest churches — including their flagship location in St. Mary’s, Kansas — we’re closed.

That’s really the problem with the SSPX. As a schismatic organization is has a limited ability to enforce a coherent approach to anything.

11 posted on 07/07/2020 5:09:58 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("We're human beings ... we're not f#%&ing animals." -- Dennis Rodman, 6/1/2020)
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To: frogjerk

Disregard my previous comment. I was in error.


12 posted on 07/07/2020 5:14:34 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Alberta's Child; ebb tide

I agree. Originally favorable on SSPX, I am soured a little due to personal experience. I respect their strictness on the liturgy but they are too strict in other ways. Other people have complained about the rules, rules, rules, but my bad experience had to do with an SSPX priest accusing me of lying to him during confession, when I was doing no such thing. And permanently denied me Communion over the same matter (I was NOT “guilty” of what he was saying in any way, shape or form). I appreciate that God sees the true situation, but that doesn’t help me with the SSPX. So it’s a diocesan Latin Mass for me (if they are ever offered again).


13 posted on 07/07/2020 5:16:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Captain Walker

It was Pope Benedict XVI who lifted the latae, not ferendae sententiae, excommunications of the SSPX bishops.


14 posted on 07/07/2020 5:16:51 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Alberta's Child
The FSSP church shut down because the bishop ordered it. I have nothing but contempt for bishops who buckled to civil authorities in the matter, but an FSSP priest in a parish setting cannot disobey the local bishop.

Any priest, or lay catholic, can, and should, disobey an unlawful order that harms the sacramental life of Catholics.

15 posted on 07/07/2020 5:22:54 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: steve86

Sorry. I don’t believe your tale.


16 posted on 07/07/2020 5:24:41 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

If a priest wants to say Mass in a park or in someone’s home, that’s one thing. But the priest does not own his parish church, and will be subject to removal by the police if he defies his superiors by holding services against the bishop’s wishes.


17 posted on 07/07/2020 5:26:49 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("We're human beings ... we're not f#%&ing animals." -- Dennis Rodman, 6/1/2020)
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To: Alberta's Child
The FSSP church shut down because the bishop ordered it. I have nothing but contempt for bishops who buckled to civil authorities in the matter, but an FSSP priest in a parish setting cannot disobey the local bishop.

That's interesting. You have nothing but contempt for bishops who buckle, yet you give a pass to the priests who buckle to those same bishops.

18 posted on 07/07/2020 5:28:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Why on earth would I make that up? Happened about 5-6 years ago, in Pasco WA, when a visiting SSPX priest from Post Falls, ID., heard confessions before Mass. That was also the last time the SSPX showed up to say Mass although they had agreed to a certain schedule of Sundays. I’d be quite willing to name of the priest (if he is still at that parish as I’d have to look him up).


19 posted on 07/07/2020 5:29:36 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: ebb tide

I don’t believe the Novus Order is in full communion with God’s One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, so there you go.


20 posted on 07/07/2020 5:29:57 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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