Posted on 07/07/2020 4:17:30 PM PDT by ebb tide
Who’s more worried about the police than their own soul?
Priests ARE subject to the orders of their bishops. They take a vow of obedience when they are ordained.
Not interested. I don’t believe you
Something happens to SSPX people. They falsely accuse others of lying?????
Nobody should be. In an individual case involving a priest and a parishioner you’d be right. But history is filled with examples of churches shutting down during major pandemics and other disasters. An order by a civil authority to close a church is not inherently wrong. It IS, however, a problem when the civil authority allows liquor stores and Walmart stores to open but insists on closing churches.
In any event, the lifting of the four excommunications as a gesture of goodwill is in no way, shape, or form to be taken as a retraction of Pope John Paul II's position on Lefebvre's act of disobedience, or of the bishops' participation in it.
Just to be clear ... My comments here specifically apply to cases where bishops accepted civil orders to shut down even when those orders represented clear constitutional violations.
(I mean, if Lefebvre could disobey the Pope, what weight would an SSPX priest give to his own ordinary?)
There is St Pius V Chapel, 425 Grand Ave, Mukwonago WI 5319
I have not been there, but I met the priest and we talked for a while. Latin Mass.
Exactly. LOL.
St Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae:
Reply to Objection 3. Religious profess obedience as to the regular mode of life, in respect of which they are subject to their superiors: wherefore they are bound to obey in those matters only which may belong to the regular mode of life, and this obedience suffices for salvation.
How does prohibiting Holy Mass and the sacraments suffice for salvation?
And unlike the SSPX, these priests actually have permission from Rome to offer the Mass.
BTW, I used to vigorously defend SSPX from attacks by Black Elk (rest his soul), but I wouldn’t anymore.
The lifting of prior pope’s excommunications is definitely a retraction.
I don’t care how you try to spin it otherwise.
Lefebvre was true to the Church while disobeying the Pope du jour; while the SSPX today has gone its own way, Lefebvre has been completely vindicated (and Benedict XVI indicated as much).
You do know that there is no obligation to attend Mass in a blizzard (for example) — don’t you?
If a bishop suspended the obligation to attend Mass in response to a natural disaster and ordered the churches in his diocese closed to prevent anyone from venturing out to attend Mass, one could argue that he is "harming the sacramental life of Catholics", as people would not be able to attend Mass or confession at that time.
But the bishop is concerned with both the spiritual and physical welfare of the people in his diocese. People (at least, those of us outside of the SSPX) recognize the authority of the bishop when he makes such a call. And while the closing of a church make not make much sense to the person who lives next door to it, the person next door to the church presumably has enough of an imagination to realize that others would be driving 30 or more miles to get to that church.
Lefebvre died an excommunicate, my friend; let's not forget that.
Show me anything in writing where the Pope acknowledged a mistake on the previous pontiff’s part. (I’ll save you the time; there isn’t anything.)
God, the Father does. Have you heard of His Third Commandment?
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