Posted on 03/28/2002 8:52:36 PM PST by RnMomof7
OK Gunnie, you finally had a change to flush the vitriol out of your system.
Actually, I have tried very hard to keep from flushing any vitriol, whereas you haven't even attempted to defend your theory, but have made ad hominem attacks on me.
That's been the whole point of your posting
The whole point of my posts was to find out if there was any actual biblical basis to your theory. If there is any such basis, why won't you post it?
You are not correct on a number of counts, but I won't refute them, remembering that they don't assign the brightest lights to the door gun,
I am often not correct, but if you "won't refute them," how will I, and the rest of the folks on FR find out that I am?
they don't assign the brightest lights to the door gun
I can't argue with that, at least in my own case.
Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine,
While I wouldn't try to refute the asserion that I, personally, am a "dog" or a "swine," you need to remember that many thousands of people will read your posts. Do you consider all of them to be dogs and swine? I think that they deserve better than that. I think that they deserve to know if there is any Biblical basis for your theory. I hope that you will decide the same.
DG
1 Thessalonians 5:
[1] But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
No, you came to this thread with a real bad attitude, arrogant, presumptive, full of insults and looking for a fight. Now you are WHINING because you found one.
> The whole point of my posts was to find out if there was any actual biblical basis to your theory.
No it wasn't. You just discovered that reasonable sounding excuse after you found that your insults didn't go unchallenged.
>> they don't assign the brightest lights to the door gun
> I can't argue with that, at least in my own case.
>> Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine,
> While I wouldn't try to refute the asserion that I, personally, am a "dog" or a "swine," you need to remember that many thousands of people will read your posts.
Agreed, I have been as impertinent as have you, and we should both be ashamed. FreeRepublic deserves better.
Now let's forget about it and get on with our lives.
-LT
you came to this thread with a real bad attitude, arrogant, presumptive, full of insults and looking for a fight
That certainly was not my intent, but I realise that I may have not expressed myself well. If you would like to help me to improve my communication skills, you might see your way clear to pointing out exactly what I wrote, which you feel demonstrated the above attitude.
You just discovered that reasonable sounding excuse after you found that your insults didn't go unchallenged.
Again, you could help me immensely, if you would point out which questions you feel were "insults." Maybe it was my first question. I had quoted you, when you said that much of what we call truth in the church is the result of centuries of "force-fitting" special-interest explanations to uncertain situations...
I assumed that you didn't include your theory among the above, so I asked how you had made that determination. Perhaps the way I asked it seemed insulting. Was that it?
...that reasonable sounding excuse...
Actually, the very next question, (as well as all of the others) asked about the biblical basis of your theory.
Looking at the next question:
3. Have you considered
Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
I see that it may be possible that this seemed rude, to you. I didn't mean it to be. It was what writers call a "rhetorical question." It was meant to "foreshadow" the topic of the Identity Movement, which I intended to bring up later. I didn't actually expect you to answer it, because I already knew that you were aware of this particular "fruit" of your theory.
I can see that I shouldn't have asked a rhetorical question, and that it might have sounded rude to you. I apologize.
FreeRepublic deserves better.
Agreed.
Now let's forget about it and get on with our lives.
I presume by this that you are going to remove your "site," and no longer try to proselytize Bible believers to your theory. This is excellent. That means I can stop worrying, and move on to some other project.
Thanks,
DG
I know we disagree in many areas and I use to watch Scot when he was televised in NY. He would get near telling his story and than pull back I found him teasing folks.
The only reason I listen him because he talked about the 12 tribes - there are other s that do this and each have their agenda, and yes the Christian Identity is racist
All I can say is I being considered a real persona non-gratis for my beliefs LDS, but that is the person who judges me problem.
I admire your effort to share this knowledge now I don't if you are anti any of the tribes so far as I have read that is not so.
The traditional believer has for so long just accepted what was told down through the age with out examine the what the scriptures really say.
I quote this often-
The name indicated first of all a man of the kingdom of Judah, as distinguished from persons belonging to the northern kingdom of Israel. Its first chronological occurrence in the Bible is in 2 Kgs. 16: 6, about 740 B.C. It has become customary to use the word Jew to refer to all the descendants of Jacob, but this is a mistake. It would be limited to those of the kingdom of Judah or, more especially today, those of the tribe of Judah and his associates. Thus all Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews, because there are descendants of the other tribes of Israel also upon the earth.
What I don’t understand it here on this planet it like closed door you either repeat the words of the sacred cow or your views need not apply. I thought the Quest was to learn about the truth of our Creator and take responsibility for honoring right and not give a hoot for those who will castigate one for not perpetuating the party line.
For me I fear the Lord more than man.
My heart goes out for Sharon and his leadership. I wish the world was differend, it pains me to see how media lies and distort this situation, but as we know Judah is apart of the Lord children an as shown in-
ZECHARIAH 13
The Jews shall gain forgiveness at the Second Coming—They shall ask Jesus: What are these wounds in thine hands?—The remnant, tried and refined, shall be his people.
Hi there! Good to hear from you again.
>I use to watch Scot
To the extent that He agrees with Me and my own very extensive research, much of it overseas, I refer to his work on the Lost Tribes as a reference in my Profile. His site is very extensive, generally well done, and is an excellent reference for very patient and discerning scholars. Beyond that, He is not my problem.
>All I can say is I being considered a real persona non-gratis for my beliefs LDS
Not with me? We may not agree on everything, but that's no reason to be disagreeable. If we all agreed on everything, what's the point of meeting here to talk about it???
>I admire your effort to share this knowledge now I don't if you are anti any of the tribes so far as I have read that is not so.
Thank You. I am not anti-anybody. I'm just looking for the truth, and having fun doing it.
>The traditional believer has for so long just accepted what was told down through the age with out examine the what the scriptures really say.
Anything we can do to get people into their Bibles is effort well spent.
>It has become customary to use the word Jew to refer to all the descendants of Jacob, but this is a mistake. It would be limited to those of the kingdom of Judah or, more especially today, those of the tribe of Judah and his associates. Thus all Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews, because there are descendants of the other tribes of Israel also upon the earth.
100% Correct! Different scholars do come up with different dates for the first use of the name "jew". Some think it was when the Kingdoms split ~922 BC, others go with your date ~740 BC, while others insist it was when the ~50,000 from the Southern Kingdom returned from the Babylonian captivity about 500 BC. Any of those dates is fine with me, since none have any effect on the Northern Kingdom, which is my primary interest. <ggg>.
>What I don’t understand it here on this planet it like closed door you either repeat the words of
the sacred cow or your views need not apply.
Anything to do with religion or politics brings out strong feelings. I try to keep my research into the Lost Tribes of Israel as Historical as possible, even while using the Bible as a major (but not exclusive) historical source. I don't think the Holy Bible was ever intended to be an all-inclusive History Book. It has a more important purpose than that.
> I fear the Lord more than man.
ME TOO!!! (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom.)
-Regards LT
Excellent, Restornu. "What the scriptures really say," is what is of primary importance.
I quote this often-
Can you give the source for this quotation?
I thought the Quest was to learn about the truth of our Creator and take responsibility for honoring right and not give a hoot for those who will castigate one for not perpetuating the party line.
I assume that you mean the Creator of the Universe (everything) Who is described in the Holy Bible, and none other. Actually, it is to "..love God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man."
(Ecclesiastes 12:13)
For me I fear the Lord more than man.
Excellent, R. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."
(Psalm 111:10); (Proverbs 9:10)
DG
ZECHARIAH 13 The Jews shall gain forgiveness at the Second Coming—They shall ask Jesus: What are these wounds in thine hands?—The remnant, tried and refined, shall be his people.
You need to know that the above is NOT in the Bible. It is a synopsis, or commentary on Zech 13, by the LDS. Zecharia chapter 13 Found Here does not use the word "Jews." The previous chapter Here explicitly refers to "Israel." and explicitly includes:
"The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and all the rest of the clans and their wives."
Thank you.
DG
The whole point is that someday the children of Judah will accept Jesus as their Savior.
In some faiths faultfinding and contention must be a part of the doctrine?
1- Fountain a place to be baptized for remission of sins.
2- Inhabitants of the house of David and Jerusalem,(are citizens of Jerusalem, and are called Jews.)
Inhabitants of American are of various nationalities and race but are still Americans if born or naturalized.
Many versions (translations) are easily available on that site. I don't think any of them use the word "Jews."
faultfinding and contention must be a part of the doctrine?
I merely thought that you had mistaken a commentary for the actual Bible.
DG
I think you are right, but I also think they may be a little more to the concept.
2- Inhabitants of the house of David and Jerusalem,(are citizens of Jerusalem, and are called Jews.)
There are Christian and Muslim inhabitants of Jerusalem. Are they also called "Jews?"
DG
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