Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
Thanks and God’s speed to each of you. We’ve been posting back and forth and being involved to work to preserve our nation and constitution for 14-15 years here.
I am grateful for all of that time, all of that work, and all of the people I have nmet and worked with in the process. It has all built up to this, where the very life of our Republic is on the line.
Although I did not agree with all he did, particularly his using the term “compassionate conservative,” to imply that somehow government is a huge source of compassion in heliping the needy when they take from others by force and compulsion to give their goods to other people on the government’s terms...just the same, I believe what George Bush said about the War against the Jihadist applies here, “We shall not falter.”
We simply have to remove Obama and his marxist administration from office...and we have to work together to do it. This November is that opportunity and I will vote for Romney and Ryan in the effort to do so, and do all I can to help conservatve, loyal Americans be elected in the House and Senate and throughoput the states. If we do that, we will win and turn things around.
If Obama stays in office, we will be in absolute mortal peril of losing our cherished Republic and will all too soon, I fear, face the same options our founders faced. Either relent and submit to tyranny, or out and out fight. I pray we can avoid that because the consequences will end up being terrible beyond belief...but would not shirk from that either if it comes to it, because out and out tyranny would be far worse.
Again, thanks for your kind words and support.
Go ahead. Allow Mitt to pretend he's a "god-in-embryo" -- when, if Paul Ryan announced that SAME belief tomorrow, nobody...not the MSM; not the Dems; not even most FREEPERS, would give Paul Ryan a "pass" on that.
It simply shows that you & many others have made Mormonism into a "sacred cow" -- not to be gouged; and not to be cut up into steaks & hamburgers for consumption!
IMHO, like it or not, the best conservative running for POTUS, this time around, is Tom Hoefling! It’s a real shame that the majority of voters will never get to know Tom, as a person and as a candidate for ‘12 POTUS.
Read later.
Thank you, Jim. On the announcement thread I was starting to feel like the only one who “gets it” anymore.
God bless you for your integrity, your sentiments, and for your service to this Republic Master Sgt.
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Your failure is that you don’t realize that it doesn’t matter. The trivial issues you flog are so far down on the list of that which is important they don’t even raise a single glimmer
You using that analogy is what is silly.
JFK didn’t initiate same sex marriage nor a socialistic healthcare w/abortion
and JFK was not a BISHOP in his church.
Nor did JFK take an oath to his church hierarchy that supersedes any oath to America
nor was JFK godless! .
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We criticize liberals for their condemnation of the CEO of Chic-fil-A. Are you not doing the same thing? America stands for freedom of religion. [New Jersey Realist]
We criticize liberals for the basis of their crit; not the means they use to express it (The First Amendment). You, on the other hand, turn this around vs. Ron H.
Somehow, because of your fancied notion of "freedom of religion," Mormonism seemingly is supposed to be teflon proof. And I say that on the basis of your last line as well: "As a conservative I find it abhorant to criticize ANY man because of his religion."
In this "world" you've created, no falsehood is ever to be critiqued -- all because you have a faulty notion of "freedom of religion."
And what's worse, Ron spoked "religiously" when he labeled Mormonism a "cult." Those were his religious views spoken under the very same "freedom of religion" you accord Mormonism. But then you critiqued him for it.
Wanna 'xplain why Mormonism gets your free pass under your faulty "freedom of religion" notion, but Ron H.'s religious expressions don't? Do you see how you're being inconsistent here? (You have essentially refuted yourself)
That is certainly true however what does his religion have to do with anything? [New Jersey Realist]
You also "tip your hat" here by treating "religion" as some separate compartmentalized entity. The article I posted from the Christian Broadcasting Network yesterday -- written by David Brody, an Emmy-award winning journalist (see The First Mormon President? Does Faith Matter? [Yes, indeed!!! Lest we have a false god leading USA]
Brody pointed out in that article that among Mormons, "This gospel is not a Sunday only gospel. It's an everyday gospel day for us," Hinckley said. "If it doesn't infuse one's life, what good is it? We try and we teach that this is an everyday religion," he continued.
This is actually a value that Mormons and Christians agree upon. That it's an around-the-clock faith -- not simply a "religion."
It's usually posters who neatly compartmentalize their life -- or have largely let it go -- that have this secular-sacred dichotomy.
Sorry, but Mormons -- like Mitt Romney, don't; and the Bible, upon which is one of the ways we evaluate Mitt Romney, doesn't, either.
Btw, if you're from New Jersey, Obama will win there, anyway. Why don't you vote for a third party candidate, even if you have to write in a true conservative. You're vote wouldn't help Romney, anyway.
Zot me then, who cares.
And less Republicans all the time...Once it's official for Romney IN, I'm out of the GoP.
The GoP is now only 29% of all registered voters; and the erosion is still underway.
I've been a member of the Free Republic for many years, and I enjoyed much of the content here, albeit not always in agreement with some viewpoints expressed, and I am sure others felt the same about mine.
I don't think I've ever commented on any of your remarks, but today, I believe I need to. For the record, I do consider myself to be a conservative; I do not support abortion, I do not support “gay marriage”, however no issue with civil union, and I do not support big government.
As a Nation built upon Christian beliefs, we can't continue to make our point or wrap our disagreements with each other around one or two quotes of scripture; The Bible and in particularly for Christians, the New Testament is something to consider as a whole as it covers in far greater detail much bigger issues then false profits and gays.
The notion of religious freedoms, religious expression and spirituality is evaporating in these United States, all because of extremism; the extremists that do everything possible to move everything that is spiritual or simple expressions of Religion under the banner of “Separation of Church and State”, to the other extreme who use religion and scripture to condemn anyone that does not conform to some very narrow interpretation of the Bible and religious belief.
Where in your Christian Bible does it is say its ok to refer to other human beings as a “POS”? The Bible I read talks a lot about love, kindness and tolerance and its seems to go to great lengths to reinforce love, kindness and tolerance in many many passages; so while you are forewarned about “false prophets” and it also says “He who is without sin shall case the first stone”. Who do you think God will judge more harshly; a gay man that lives a loving, caring, faithful life or the man that engages in name-calling, standing in judgment of others?
The arena of public debate has adopted a hate-based philosophy; one side will play the role of the victim and the other side will “demonize’, and the vast overwhelming majority of us in the middle are losing out (largely to our own fault) to these extremes and the direct result of that has been the loss of freedoms. In addition this extreme environment drives the best and brightest of people, away from the public service arena.
All we talk about, write about, broadcast about, is our differences. Gay vs. Straight; faith vs non-faith, rich vs. poor, fat vs. skinny, man vs. woman, black vs. white, young vs. old, and I can go on. When do we focus on what we have in common?
We've moved this line of tolerance so far, we've become intolerant. Did we really need the Congressional Black Caucus, Gay Pride Parade, Black History Month, Race quotas, etc.? Maybe we did in order to change, but when does the discussion begin to get rid of these establishments? And if there isn't going to be discussion for that endeavor; when will the discussion begin to create the Congressional White Caucus, the Straight Pride Parade, White History Month? I don't truly advocate these things, its simply an illustration.
I think there are core issues that most agree on; most want religious freedom, peace and prosperity. We want a system of government that is not intrusive, that doesn't over burden us with taxes and fosters of a culture that encourages hard work and is intolerant of lazy cheaters that look to live off the public. When do we united around some of these notions?
I too have concerns about Governor Romney being President. I don't share all of his beliefs, but I can find what I do identify with and believe him to be decent man. He's obviously a blessed man; and has much to be grateful for, which is something that I believe God plays a huge part of.
We need to return to civil discourse, issue focused, and not extreme taking points and rhetoric focused. We need the return of intellectual and spiritual honesty. Name-calling only brings more of the same, regardless who's doing it and its an intentional distraction created to keep us unfocused on the real issues.
God Bless,
Heff
“You using that analogy is what is silly.”
Really? How so? Both claims against JFK and the ones being made against Romney were baseless and intended to frighten people into not voting for a particular person.
Both were based in groundless claims with no real proof to back them up other than the person’s own imagination/bigotry.
As for your other burning straw men you tossed in...nothing in Romney’s campaign platform says he’s going to do any of what you are saying.
You’re doing the same thing the Dems and the MSM are doing with the birth control issue...creating something out of nothing in order to smear someone.
Nowhere has he said he’s going to support same sex marriage or Obama care.
Like the MSM and Dems on birth control...you’re making up things he’s never said he’s gonna do.
So I guess you should be proud...you and the DNC/MSM now have something in common.
Romeny godless? Hardly. He’s no more godless than a Buhddist or a Muslim.
I’d think one lesson of the bible is that you want wise secular leaders in the land where you live. It’s wonderful if they also acknowledge the Eternal God, and it is to be hoped that eventually all will, but that can’t of itself do in place of being competent at their calling. God uses even non believers for the purpose of bringing blessings in the world.
I’m the offspring of mixed marriage, Dad was the Jew so I am officially gentile. But Dad was a die hard political conservative. Mom was the bleeding heart liberal. I still haven’t totally gotten over the shock.
#1...Since when did Kennedy ever make the following promise to the Catholic church -- like Mitt has to the Mormon church? Here is the "The Law of Consecration Oath" that Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple):
"You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."]
#2...Did Catholic officials in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s, give solid signals of political overreach -- like Mormon leaders have for the last 30-50 years? [See chart next post]
Go vote for Obama them. You people are really sick if you are so desirous of Obama for 4 more years.
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