Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

13 Questions Evolution Can Answer, Intelligent Design Cannot
Millard Fillmore’s Bathtub ^ | Steve Bratteng

Posted on 02/12/2009 10:24:51 AM PST by steve-b

Stephen Bratteng, a biology teacher at Westwood High School in Austin put this together. I got the list from him when I heard him testify in favor of solid science in biology textbooks, in hearings before the Texas State Board of Education in 2003:

1. Why does giving vitamin and mineral supplements to undernourished anemic individuals cause so many of them to die of bacterial infections?

2. Why did Dr. Heimlich have to develop a maneuver to dislodge food particles from people’s wind pipes?

3. Why does each of your eyes have a blind spot and strong a tendency toward retinal detachment? But a squid whose eyesight is just as sharp does not have these flaws?

4. Why are depression and obesity at epidemic levels in the United States?

5. When Europeans came to the Americas, why did 90 percent of the Native Americans die of European diseases but not many Europeans died of American diseases?

6. Why do pregnant women get morning sickness?

7. Why do people in industrialized countries have a greater tendency to get Crohn’s disease and asthma?

8. Why does malaria still kill over a million people each year?

9. Why are so many of the product Depends sold each year?

10. Why do people given anti-diarrheal medication take twice as long to recover from dysentery as untreated ones?

11. Why do people of European descent have a fairly high frequency of an allele that can make them resistant to HIV infection?

12. Why do older men often have urinary problems?

13. And why do so many people in Austin get cedar fever?


(Excerpt) Read more at timpanogos.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: biology; evolution; id; science
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-145 next last

1 posted on 02/12/2009 10:24:51 AM PST by steve-b
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: steve-b

One question neither side can answer to my satisfaction...

Why fight like cats and dogs over it? LOL


2 posted on 02/12/2009 10:26:26 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares (Refusing to kneel before the socialist messiah. 1-20-13 Freedom Day.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
9. Why are so many of the product Depends sold each year?

Because a company turned sh*t into gold.

3 posted on 02/12/2009 10:28:09 AM PST by frogjerk (It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish - Mother Teresa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

If 80% of body heat goes out the top of your head why are there so many bald men? Evolution should make all people have thick hair on their heads ..... why can’t evolution answer that?


4 posted on 02/12/2009 10:28:15 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
8. Why does malaria still kill over a million people each year?

Because DDT was outlawed by leftists.

5 posted on 02/12/2009 10:28:44 AM PST by frogjerk (It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish - Mother Teresa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

If EVOLUTION is logical, they most of these things shouldn’t exist under ‘Darwin’ either.


6 posted on 02/12/2009 10:29:09 AM PST by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Names Ash Housewares

There are freepers in good standing who seriously argue that the earth is at the center of the universe.


7 posted on 02/12/2009 10:29:21 AM PST by js1138
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
3. Why does each of your eyes have a blind spot and strong a tendency toward retinal detachment? But a squid whose eyesight is just as sharp does not have these flaws?

You're arguing that squids are more highly evolved?

8 posted on 02/12/2009 10:29:26 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Obama must be the Antichrist. No one else would work so hard to destroy the US.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

In answer to #8 - the reason for malaria is the banning of DDT ....


9 posted on 02/12/2009 10:29:44 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

Try Bud Dry.


10 posted on 02/12/2009 10:30:00 AM PST by mnehring
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: js1138
There are freepers in good standing who seriously argue that the earth is at the center of the universe.

Where is the center of the universe then?

11 posted on 02/12/2009 10:30:18 AM PST by frogjerk (It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish - Mother Teresa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy

“You’re arguing that squids are more highly evolved? “

Have you seen Congress?


12 posted on 02/12/2009 10:31:01 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

Intelligent design is just an attempt to develop a scientific method that can detect design. That’s it. The author of these questions seems to think that intelligent design is the belief that humans were designed, and have remained, as perfect as possible. But that’s not what intelligent design is about.


13 posted on 02/12/2009 10:31:37 AM PST by kc8ukw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pieceofthepuzzle

Well, I’m not sure the Stimulus bill was Intelligently Designed ...


14 posted on 02/12/2009 10:32:05 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Obama must be the Antichrist. No one else would work so hard to destroy the US.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: js1138

I know what you mean!

I am the center of my personal universe!


15 posted on 02/12/2009 10:32:19 AM PST by Mr. K (physically unable to proofreed (<---oops))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

Oh, are you the author? Feel free to reply then.


16 posted on 02/12/2009 10:32:21 AM PST by kc8ukw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: frogjerk

Why are depression and obesity at epidemic levels in the United States?

Obama’s fault


17 posted on 02/12/2009 10:32:26 AM PST by Lets Roll NOW
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: davidlachnicht
If EVOLUTION is logical, they most of these things shouldn’t exist under ‘Darwin’ either.

Not at all.

Of course you'd have to understand evolution to realize that.
18 posted on 02/12/2009 10:33:49 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

I can answer #7.

Because people in industrialized nations eat lots of wheat and wheat gluten which has been proven to cause Celiac disease which is an auto-immune disorder that leads to other diseases such as Chrohn’s or asthma. (Approx. 1 in 120 people affected and don’t know it.)

www.celiac.com (for those who doubt me)

People who are not in industrialized nations, don’t eat the pre-processed crap that we do! Garbage in - garbage - out!


19 posted on 02/12/2009 10:34:14 AM PST by HomeschoolMomma (YES SHE CAN! Sarah Palin 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
You're arguing that squids are more highly evolved?

No, they came to a similar but better result from a different path.

Another in a long list of proofs for evolution.
20 posted on 02/12/2009 10:34:52 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: davidlachnicht
If EVOLUTION is logical, they most of these things shouldn’t exist under ‘Darwin’ either.

Well there you go. One of the best arguments for evolution is the obvious evidence that many features are the way they are because they got there by small, incremental changes, rather than top down design.

21 posted on 02/12/2009 10:34:54 AM PST by js1138
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
This list is the same sort of asininity that the "evolutionist" side so properly derides when the creationist side brings it up.

Bottom line: just because your opponents say idiotic things, doesn't mean that you cannot also say idiotic things.

Just to make the point more rationally: the fact that undeniably designed things eventually wear out, does not alter the fact that they were designed.

22 posted on 02/12/2009 10:35:02 AM PST by r9etb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SkyDancer
If 80% of body heat goes out the top of your head why are there so many bald men? Evolution should make all people have thick hair on their heads ..... why can’t evolution answer that?

What about summer?

Bald heads do have an advantage, being bald allows you to make more Vitamin D, which means stronger bones to stay fit longer and live longer to make more babies.

23 posted on 02/12/2009 10:35:09 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: kc8ukw
Intelligent design is just an attempt to develop a scientific method that can detect design. That’s it.

No it's not.
24 posted on 02/12/2009 10:35:47 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Names Ash Housewares
Why fight like cats and dogs over it?

And who said it has to be an either/or question in the first place?

25 posted on 02/12/2009 10:35:48 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

There is no reason that both ideas can’t coexist.
Believe what you want you’ll find out in the end or not.


26 posted on 02/12/2009 10:35:57 AM PST by voveo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: frogjerk
Where is the center of the universe then?

Where is the center of the surface of a sphere?

27 posted on 02/12/2009 10:36:21 AM PST by js1138
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
Nice try, but these are each easily answered by creationists, if not the ID crowd. And many have better answers in an ID framework than evolution does anyway. Take # 8 for example:

8. Why does malaria still kill over a million people each year?

Dr. Michael Behe has a good extended discussion of malaria in The Edge of Evolution that underscores the fact that evolution can only produce trivial changes. Malaria and attempts (natural and engineered) to fight it present an excellent case study in understanding what evolution can and cannot do. It is clear that the malaria pathogen itself is a designed organism. It's just minor features within the genome that are varying to produce various features such as antibiotic resistance, and that generally due to degeneration of a design feature.

Of course, it's not like evolutionists actually asked their opposition about this list before publishing it. They just make things up and imagine it must be so. Sigh...

28 posted on 02/12/2009 10:36:53 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

So I guess his point was that God should have created a perfect universe instead of one with flaws.

I am no huge fan of ID, but philosophically this guy’s argument is garbage.


29 posted on 02/12/2009 10:37:09 AM PST by Jeliota
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Filo

I think that’s a pretty good definition. Maybe more specifically, it’s generally only applied to organisms, although examples used to support the idea that design is detectable are taken from other areas. How would you define it?


30 posted on 02/12/2009 10:37:38 AM PST by kc8ukw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: qam1

OK but they probably went bald after they got married ... unless they have lots of money ..... :)


31 posted on 02/12/2009 10:38:47 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: js1138
Where is the center of the surface of a sphere?

Trick question? Wouldn't any point on the surface of a sphere be an equally valid center?

32 posted on 02/12/2009 10:39:36 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Obama must be the Antichrist. No one else would work so hard to destroy the US.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Filo
Intelligent design is just an attempt to develop a scientific method that can detect design. That’s it.

No it's not.

That's exactly what it is, in technical terms. Anyone can read the leading works like Dembski's The Design Inference to see this is bluntly the case. People need to understand that opposition to ID is literally a denial of the existence of engineers and factories. And there are plenty of in-context quotes from Darwinian fundamentalists that, applied consistently, prove this.

Someday some rogue scientist is going to engineer a pathogen and release it. And the NAS and other evolutionary fundamentalist organizations are going to quickly declare that it is illegitimate to believe the organism was modified by an UNKNOWN INTELLIGENT DESIGNER, because that would be "religion." At least, that would be the case if they are consistent.

33 posted on 02/12/2009 10:40:12 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: js1138
Where is the center of the universe then? Where is the center of the surface of a sphere?

I don't argue that the earth is the center of the universe but you argue the proposition that "the earth is not the center of the universe" but you give no answer where it is.

34 posted on 02/12/2009 10:42:06 AM PST by frogjerk (It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish - Mother Teresa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: js1138
There are freepers in good standing who seriously argue that the earth is at the center of the universe.

Here is an illustration of the above statement:

35 posted on 02/12/2009 10:42:25 AM PST by AreaMan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
If you found an IPhone in the desert, would you insist on a naturalistic explanation?

What if it even included a manual on how it was made?

36 posted on 02/12/2009 10:44:06 AM PST by DrewsDad (Somebody set up us Obama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

How do you know that the Designer can’t answer these?


37 posted on 02/12/2009 10:46:51 AM PST by TravisBickle (Are you talkin' to me?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

Number 16. If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?


38 posted on 02/12/2009 10:48:19 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AreaMan
It isn't a strawman when it is an accurate representation of the truth.

There are creationists posters on FR who insist that the Sun circles the Earth.

I can direct you to several threads if you doubt this.

39 posted on 02/12/2009 10:51:32 AM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: NTHockey

If Americans came from Europeans, why are there still Europeans?


40 posted on 02/12/2009 10:52:20 AM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
Trick question? Wouldn't any point on the surface of a sphere be an equally valid center?

Yes. And that is exactly the analogy that fits any position in an expanding universe. All points are equidistant from the origin.

41 posted on 02/12/2009 10:53:02 AM PST by js1138
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
1. Why does giving vitamin and mineral supplements to undernourished anemic individuals cause so many of them to die of bacterial infections?

Because you're doing it wrong.

2. Why did Dr. Heimlich have to develop a maneuver to dislodge food particles from people’s wind pipes?

He didn't have to do it at all. I don't recall anyone forcing him to develop this technique.

3. Why does each of your eyes have a blind spot and strong a tendency toward retinal detachment? But a squid whose eyesight is just as sharp does not have these flaws?

Because squids don't get whacked on the back of the head as much as we do.

4. Why are depression and obesity at epidemic levels in the United States?

Because our faith in God has declined and without God too many people are also without hope.

5. When Europeans came to the Americas, why did 90 percent of the Native Americans die of European diseases but not many Europeans died of American diseases?

Because the Native Americans were not explorers and were not exposed to the panaoply of disease that the Europeans were exposed to. Consequently the Euros had more robust immune systems.

6. Why do pregnant women get morning sickness?

Not all pregnant women get morning sickness.

7. Why do people in industrialized countries have a greater tendency to get Crohn’s disease and asthma?

Because living a more natural lifestyle is healthier than living in a box in a polluted city. Duh.

8. Why does malaria still kill over a million people each year?

Because of Rachel Carson. That bitch.

9. Why are so many of the product Depends sold each year?

You'd rather people go back to pissing their pants?

10. Why do people given anti-diarrheal medication take twice as long to recover from dysentery as untreated ones?

Because anti-diarrheals treat a symptom and not a cause.

11. Why do people of European descent have a fairly high frequency of an allele that can make them resistant to HIV infection?

This is just question #5 rephrased.

12. Why do older men often have urinary problems?

Because we're designed to die.

13. And why do so many people in Austin get cedar fever?

Because they live in Austin. Duh!

42 posted on 02/12/2009 10:53:15 AM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b

2. Why did Dr. Heimlich have to develop a maneuver to dislodge food particles from people’s wind pipes?

Because God gave us the choice to be stupid enough to put something in our mouths too big to swallow.

4. Why are depression and obesity at epidemic levels in the United States?

Because God gave us the choice to eat too much, and the choice to worry about little things that really don’t matter.

6. Why do pregnant women get morning sickness?

To tell them they are pregnant before they start showing?

8. Why does malaria still kill over a million people each year?

Because the enviro wackos lied to get DDT banned.


Here’s one. If Darwin is right about survival of the fittest then why do humans dominate the earth? We are the only species that does not follow that guideline.

We take the most care of our poor, young, elderly, indigent, sick, unintelligent, injured, crippled, etc etc. All other species would have eaten them or left them to the wolves.


43 posted on 02/12/2009 10:54:48 AM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NTHockey

because we had a common ancestor that was apelike. Humans broke off and evolved into humans and apes we see today evolved from those ancient apelike species.


44 posted on 02/12/2009 10:55:44 AM PST by TerP26
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: js1138
Well, I guess I'm not clear on why you said this in post #7:

There are freepers in good standing who seriously argue that the earth is at the center of the universe.

Now in post 41 you say that any point is a valid center of the universe. So, are you making fun of freepers who say the earth is the center of the universe, or are you agreeing with them?

45 posted on 02/12/2009 10:58:48 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Obama must be the Antichrist. No one else would work so hard to destroy the US.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: frogjerk
I don't argue that the earth is the center of the universe but you argue the proposition that "the earth is not the center of the universe" but you give no answer where it is.

I did give an answer. In the universe, all locations are equidistant from the point of origin, since spacetime is expanding from a singularity.

46 posted on 02/12/2009 10:59:23 AM PST by js1138
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Liberty1970
That's exactly what it is, in technical terms. Anyone can read the leading works like Dembski's The Design Inference to see this is bluntly the case. People need to understand that opposition to ID is literally a denial of the existence of engineers and factories. And there are plenty of in-context quotes from Darwinian fundamentalists that, applied consistently, prove this.

Abject nonsense.

ID is nothing short of religious doctrine masquerading as science. There is absolutely no science behind it and there is nothing "intelligent" about it.

Someday some rogue scientist is going to engineer a pathogen and release it. And the NAS and other evolutionary fundamentalist organizations are going to quickly declare that it is illegitimate to believe the organism was modified by an UNKNOWN INTELLIGENT DESIGNER, because that would be "religion." At least, that would be the case if they are consistent.

Nope. If someone did do that it would be recognized as such fairly quickly.

That's the joy of the consistency of science. It would recognize the scenario above while it rejects the stupidity of ID.
47 posted on 02/12/2009 11:02:07 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
4 words that answer everything

In the beginning God....

48 posted on 02/12/2009 11:09:20 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a blessing to live in the Ozarks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steve-b
13. And why do so many people in Austin get cedar fever?

LOL..

For the evolution experts:

If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still live monkeys on the earth?

49 posted on 02/12/2009 11:09:24 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ((D) = Taking the Culture of Corruption to lower standards. (D) = leeches)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: allmendream
There are creationists posters on FR who insist that the Sun circles the Earth. I can direct you to several threads if you doubt this.

I doubt the following:
Your ability to discern when people are pulling your leg.
Your ability to reason.

I don't doubt that there are some people on here that think the earth is flat, the Gov. faked the moon landing, and that the sun revolves around the earth.

BTW, Sir Francis Crick found the the double helix struckture of DNA so complex that in his book "Life Itself" he proposed that life was seeded here by aliens from another planet.

His attempt to explain intelligent design without a divine designer. Yes, Crick later in his life backed away from the Space Aliens were here theory and adopted the "Life from Non Life" dogma.

So, can everything that Crick said be discarded out of hand?

50 posted on 02/12/2009 11:10:21 AM PST by AreaMan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-145 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson