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13 Questions Evolution Can Answer, Intelligent Design Cannot
Millard Fillmore’s Bathtub ^ | Steve Bratteng

Posted on 02/12/2009 10:24:51 AM PST by steve-b

Stephen Bratteng, a biology teacher at Westwood High School in Austin put this together. I got the list from him when I heard him testify in favor of solid science in biology textbooks, in hearings before the Texas State Board of Education in 2003:

1. Why does giving vitamin and mineral supplements to undernourished anemic individuals cause so many of them to die of bacterial infections?

2. Why did Dr. Heimlich have to develop a maneuver to dislodge food particles from people’s wind pipes?

3. Why does each of your eyes have a blind spot and strong a tendency toward retinal detachment? But a squid whose eyesight is just as sharp does not have these flaws?

4. Why are depression and obesity at epidemic levels in the United States?

5. When Europeans came to the Americas, why did 90 percent of the Native Americans die of European diseases but not many Europeans died of American diseases?

6. Why do pregnant women get morning sickness?

7. Why do people in industrialized countries have a greater tendency to get Crohn’s disease and asthma?

8. Why does malaria still kill over a million people each year?

9. Why are so many of the product Depends sold each year?

10. Why do people given anti-diarrheal medication take twice as long to recover from dysentery as untreated ones?

11. Why do people of European descent have a fairly high frequency of an allele that can make them resistant to HIV infection?

12. Why do older men often have urinary problems?

13. And why do so many people in Austin get cedar fever?


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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: biology; evolution; id; science
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To: ClearCase_guy
Trick question? Wouldn't any point on the surface of a sphere be an equally valid center?

Yes. And that is exactly the analogy that fits any position in an expanding universe. All points are equidistant from the origin.

41 posted on 02/12/2009 10:53:02 AM PST by js1138
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To: steve-b
1. Why does giving vitamin and mineral supplements to undernourished anemic individuals cause so many of them to die of bacterial infections?

Because you're doing it wrong.

2. Why did Dr. Heimlich have to develop a maneuver to dislodge food particles from people’s wind pipes?

He didn't have to do it at all. I don't recall anyone forcing him to develop this technique.

3. Why does each of your eyes have a blind spot and strong a tendency toward retinal detachment? But a squid whose eyesight is just as sharp does not have these flaws?

Because squids don't get whacked on the back of the head as much as we do.

4. Why are depression and obesity at epidemic levels in the United States?

Because our faith in God has declined and without God too many people are also without hope.

5. When Europeans came to the Americas, why did 90 percent of the Native Americans die of European diseases but not many Europeans died of American diseases?

Because the Native Americans were not explorers and were not exposed to the panaoply of disease that the Europeans were exposed to. Consequently the Euros had more robust immune systems.

6. Why do pregnant women get morning sickness?

Not all pregnant women get morning sickness.

7. Why do people in industrialized countries have a greater tendency to get Crohn’s disease and asthma?

Because living a more natural lifestyle is healthier than living in a box in a polluted city. Duh.

8. Why does malaria still kill over a million people each year?

Because of Rachel Carson. That bitch.

9. Why are so many of the product Depends sold each year?

You'd rather people go back to pissing their pants?

10. Why do people given anti-diarrheal medication take twice as long to recover from dysentery as untreated ones?

Because anti-diarrheals treat a symptom and not a cause.

11. Why do people of European descent have a fairly high frequency of an allele that can make them resistant to HIV infection?

This is just question #5 rephrased.

12. Why do older men often have urinary problems?

Because we're designed to die.

13. And why do so many people in Austin get cedar fever?

Because they live in Austin. Duh!

42 posted on 02/12/2009 10:53:15 AM PST by MahatmaGandu (Remember, remember, the twenty-sixth of November.)
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To: steve-b

2. Why did Dr. Heimlich have to develop a maneuver to dislodge food particles from people’s wind pipes?

Because God gave us the choice to be stupid enough to put something in our mouths too big to swallow.

4. Why are depression and obesity at epidemic levels in the United States?

Because God gave us the choice to eat too much, and the choice to worry about little things that really don’t matter.

6. Why do pregnant women get morning sickness?

To tell them they are pregnant before they start showing?

8. Why does malaria still kill over a million people each year?

Because the enviro wackos lied to get DDT banned.


Here’s one. If Darwin is right about survival of the fittest then why do humans dominate the earth? We are the only species that does not follow that guideline.

We take the most care of our poor, young, elderly, indigent, sick, unintelligent, injured, crippled, etc etc. All other species would have eaten them or left them to the wolves.


43 posted on 02/12/2009 10:54:48 AM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: NTHockey

because we had a common ancestor that was apelike. Humans broke off and evolved into humans and apes we see today evolved from those ancient apelike species.


44 posted on 02/12/2009 10:55:44 AM PST by TerP26
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To: js1138
Well, I guess I'm not clear on why you said this in post #7:

There are freepers in good standing who seriously argue that the earth is at the center of the universe.

Now in post 41 you say that any point is a valid center of the universe. So, are you making fun of freepers who say the earth is the center of the universe, or are you agreeing with them?

45 posted on 02/12/2009 10:58:48 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Obama must be the Antichrist. No one else would work so hard to destroy the US.)
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To: frogjerk
I don't argue that the earth is the center of the universe but you argue the proposition that "the earth is not the center of the universe" but you give no answer where it is.

I did give an answer. In the universe, all locations are equidistant from the point of origin, since spacetime is expanding from a singularity.

46 posted on 02/12/2009 10:59:23 AM PST by js1138
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To: Liberty1970
That's exactly what it is, in technical terms. Anyone can read the leading works like Dembski's The Design Inference to see this is bluntly the case. People need to understand that opposition to ID is literally a denial of the existence of engineers and factories. And there are plenty of in-context quotes from Darwinian fundamentalists that, applied consistently, prove this.

Abject nonsense.

ID is nothing short of religious doctrine masquerading as science. There is absolutely no science behind it and there is nothing "intelligent" about it.

Someday some rogue scientist is going to engineer a pathogen and release it. And the NAS and other evolutionary fundamentalist organizations are going to quickly declare that it is illegitimate to believe the organism was modified by an UNKNOWN INTELLIGENT DESIGNER, because that would be "religion." At least, that would be the case if they are consistent.

Nope. If someone did do that it would be recognized as such fairly quickly.

That's the joy of the consistency of science. It would recognize the scenario above while it rejects the stupidity of ID.
47 posted on 02/12/2009 11:02:07 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: steve-b
4 words that answer everything

In the beginning God....

48 posted on 02/12/2009 11:09:20 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a blessing to live in the Ozarks.)
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To: steve-b
13. And why do so many people in Austin get cedar fever?

LOL..

For the evolution experts:

If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still live monkeys on the earth?

49 posted on 02/12/2009 11:09:24 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ((D) = Taking the Culture of Corruption to lower standards. (D) = leeches)
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To: allmendream
There are creationists posters on FR who insist that the Sun circles the Earth. I can direct you to several threads if you doubt this.

I doubt the following:
Your ability to discern when people are pulling your leg.
Your ability to reason.

I don't doubt that there are some people on here that think the earth is flat, the Gov. faked the moon landing, and that the sun revolves around the earth.

BTW, Sir Francis Crick found the the double helix struckture of DNA so complex that in his book "Life Itself" he proposed that life was seeded here by aliens from another planet.

His attempt to explain intelligent design without a divine designer. Yes, Crick later in his life backed away from the Space Aliens were here theory and adopted the "Life from Non Life" dogma.

So, can everything that Crick said be discarded out of hand?

50 posted on 02/12/2009 11:10:21 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: Filo

Notice that there is no reasoning in your response. Just the usual empty dogmas. So it’s true, you don’t believe in the existence of factories and engineers.


51 posted on 02/12/2009 11:11:11 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: js1138
Small, incremental changes are merely adaptation and therefore do not rule out initial intelligent design. How can life evolve if it never existed?

“Evolution is not the study of life’s ultimate origin as a path toward discerning its deepest meaning. Evolution, in fact, is not the study of origins at all. Even the more restricted (and scientifically permissible) question of life’s origin on our earth lies outside its domain…Evolution studies the pathways and mechanisms of organic change following the origin of life” - Renowned Evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould

I like this quote too:

“One could not be a successful scientist without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of scientists, a goodly number of scientists are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid” - James Watson, Nobel laureate and co-discoverer of the structure of DNA

52 posted on 02/12/2009 11:11:23 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: allmendream

Sorry about the spelling errors....


53 posted on 02/12/2009 11:12:13 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: Jeliota
Speaking of philosophy...

Descartes was sitting in a bar having a drink. The bartender walks up and asks Descartes if he'd like another.

Descartes responds "I think not!", and promptly disappears...

54 posted on 02/12/2009 11:14:32 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: ravingnutter
Small, incremental changes are merely adaptation and therefore do not rule out initial intelligent design.

Can you name or list any possible evidence or line of evidence that could rule out ID?

What could rule out the unspecified activity of an unspecified agency having unspecified capabilities, doing unspecified things at unspecified times and places, for unspecified reasons?

55 posted on 02/12/2009 11:16:27 AM PST by js1138
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To: AreaMan
Why don't YOU ask the Geocentric FReeper Creationists if they are just pulling people's legs?

I take people at their word. If they represent themselves in thread after thread as a vehement Geocentricist I have no recourse other than to deal with them as a Geocentricist.

I can see why they would be an embarrassment to your side, but it is hard to deny that they exist, and you have no basis for your pretense that they are faking it.

56 posted on 02/12/2009 11:17:52 AM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: steve-b
3. Why does each of your eyes have a blind spot and strong a tendency toward retinal detachment? But a squid whose eyesight is just as sharp does not have these flaws?

While I've got a little spare time, let's point out another bit of incoherence in evolutionary apologetics. There are plenty of creation articles out there that point out that the human eye is, in fact, well designed, and there are good reasons for the supposed "flaws" that evolutionists ignorantly cite. But those are easy to dig up and I'll not rehash them now.

What's worth pointing out now is that evolutionists try to have it both ways. One the one hand they have that wonderful religious blind faith that natural selection has incredible powers of engineering talent, able to craft superbly designed, complex, integrated systems like a human eye. Read the secular literature and you will never cease to be amazed at the complexity and detail and refinement of biological systems like the eye. Evolutionists claim that natural forces are competent to produce such results.

But then on the other hand they expect you to believe those same forces are so incompetent that they cannot fix simple flaws.

That's incoherent. It's like the old idea of junk DNA being "useless," when, as a Cornell geneticist prof. who has become a creationist pointed out to me in 2003, maintaining "useless" DNA carries a significant metabolic cost. If it were really useless it should be rapidly deleted by natural selection. Since it wasn't, it raised his suspicions as an evolutionist. And now he's no longer an evolutionist...

57 posted on 02/12/2009 11:18:18 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: steve-b
You exude far more smugness than thoughtfulness. I think correct response to your list is: And your point is what? What does Heimlich have to do at all with the topic? Furthermore, what kind of idle or untrained mind could sit around attaching him and his technique to a debate on the origin of existence.

I don't even have a strong opinion on the topic. But if you were doing high fives with yourself as you wrote this list, you are a bit deluded about it's coherence, it's effectiveness, and how smart you think it makes you look.

58 posted on 02/12/2009 11:18:52 AM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Liberty1970
Notice that there is no reasoning in your response. Just the usual empty dogmas. So it’s true, you don’t believe in the existence of factories and engineers.

This isn't a venue in which I feel the need to "show my work."

Evolution is well documented and extremely well supported by science and data. ID is the exact opposite.

And the question about factories and engineers is misleading BS.

A typical straw man from the ranks of those without a fact supporting their beliefs.

That, my friend, is real dogma.
59 posted on 02/12/2009 11:20:05 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Minn
What does the origin of existence have to do with evolution?

Heimlich and his technique are quite pertinent to the question of evolution.

60 posted on 02/12/2009 11:22:19 AM PST by js1138
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