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Zimmerman trial outrage
The Washington Times ^ | May 25, 2012 | Professor Karen L. Bune, George Mason University

Posted on 05/25/2012 6:12:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Things have spun out of control in the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case in Sanford, Fla. (“Zimmerman’s account of killing corroborated,” Web, Thursday).

The police were instantly and unfairly blasted for failing to arrest Mr. Zimmerman, the Sanford police chief stepped down when he shouldn’t have, Mr. Zimmerman was already fingered as the guilty party before a thorough and fair investigation was completed, civil rights leaders descended upon the town pointing accusatory fingers, and a bounty was placed on Mr. Zimmerman’s head. In addition, media outlets and talking heads put their own spin on the story.

The case has now devolved into a turf battle of tense race relations. Parties are jumping to conclusions that are not based on facts or evidence but instead on the preponderance of divergent public opinion.

Undoubtedly it is a tragedy that this episode occurred at all and resulted in the death of Trayvon Martin. However, in light of new facts based on an autopsy of the deceased, photos of Mr. Zimmerman coupled with a paramedic’s report, additional witness reports and other information, the determination of who the bona fide victim was may, in time, demonstrate that Trayvon Martin was not the completely innocent party some might have hoped.

Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived. What followed that instruction, however, is where the case presently stands.

Like everyone else in this country and under the tenets of the Constitution and the laws of the land, Mr. Zimmerman remains innocent until proven guilty in a court of law....

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Dispatchers can't order anyone to do anything.
1 posted on 05/25/2012 6:12:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders

I'd expect better from the Washington Times.

2 posted on 05/25/2012 6:14:54 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

I believe it was a suggestion and not orders in any case.


3 posted on 05/25/2012 6:18:10 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My information was that dispatcher said something like “you don’t have to do that”. Regardless of my recollection, I read the transcript and have not been able to find these so-called orders.


4 posted on 05/25/2012 6:20:20 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t have the exact words in front of me, but from memory I recall the dispatcher saying ‘you don’t need to do that’ when Zimmerman affirmed he was following Martin. There was no order. The idea that he was ordered to stay in his car by the dispatcher is as far as I know a media trope. After the dispatcher told him he did not have to follow Martin, Zimmerman replied ‘ok’.. that can be clearly heard by my memory. Or should I revisit the transcript because this drumbeat about being ‘ordered by a dispatcher’ to remain in his vehicle is repeated over and over again in the press and I just didn’t see that in the transcript.


5 posted on 05/25/2012 6:22:26 PM PDT by shadowland
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Karen L. Bune is employed as a Victim Specialist in the domestic violence unit of the State’s Attorney’s Office for Prince George’s County (MD). She serves as an adjunct professor in the Department of Criminal Justice at George Mason University in Fairfax (VA) and Marymount University in Arlington (VA), where she teaches victimology ..you'd think she would know a dispatcher can only suggest...
6 posted on 05/25/2012 6:26:40 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: ladyjane
media outlets and talking heads put their own spin on the story

That's the problem.

Why? That is the big question.

We have been saturated with traitors as far as 'truth in news' goes. They want to give their 'expert' opinions and to hell with the lawful procedures. They want to convict someone and they think their 'news' will make them #1. What a laugh. Sickos!

7 posted on 05/25/2012 6:27:40 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Criminaliens or Crimigrants...0bamao's people?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The way the left and the complicit liberal media have presented it...


8 posted on 05/25/2012 6:27:53 PM PDT by South40
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IIRC, he wasn’t in his truck when he called, he was on his way to his trunk when the thug came from behind and sucker-punched him and he fell and then the thug jumped on him beating his head into the ground telling him he is going to die tonight.


9 posted on 05/25/2012 6:30:47 PM PDT by presently no screen name (God First!! VAB: Voting Against Both---> Romney and Obama.)
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To: shadowland

Also there is no evidence that I am aware of that shows that Zimmerman followed Martin after the dispatcher request. It is all supposition, because there are no witnesses of who approached who.


10 posted on 05/25/2012 6:30:57 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: shadowland

I don’t think the dispatcher ever told him to remain in his vehicle. When he was told he didn’t need to follow him, Zimmerman was already out of the vehicle. At that point he said “OK” and was headed back to his vehicle.


11 posted on 05/25/2012 6:31:17 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: shadowland

” um, we don’t need you to do that” I think were the exact words.


12 posted on 05/25/2012 6:32:35 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: South40

I’m glad a faithful representation of the two has finally been posted.


14 posted on 05/25/2012 6:32:50 PM PDT by shadowland
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To: South40

LOL


15 posted on 05/25/2012 6:33:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: South40

Exactly! A pix is worth.... and you said 2000!


16 posted on 05/25/2012 6:36:41 PM PDT by presently no screen name (God First!! VAB: Voting Against Both---> Romney and Obama.)
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To: Okieshooter

Actually he had already been following Martin who he had reported had disappeared between the buildings. After he replied ‘ok’ is when he started back to his vehicle. Those seconds afterward (about 80 of them) aren’t taped.


17 posted on 05/25/2012 6:37:12 PM PDT by shadowland
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the article: "It is also disconcerting to contemplate the possibility that Mr. Zimmerman could be scapegoated to avoid the eruption of civil unrest if the results are less than satisfactory to some individuals." [emphasis mine]

If he is convicted, I pray there is civil unrest. Likely, either way it goes, there will be problems.


18 posted on 05/25/2012 6:39:19 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: Doogle

You would hope she would know better than to repeat the great lie the press has formulated. When the disp[atcher suggested that the police didn’t need George ‘to do that’ —follow Treytable— he was already in the act of doing that, not sitting in his ‘car’. We’ve had dolts trying to make that same spin right here on FR threads.


19 posted on 05/25/2012 6:44:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived. What followed that instruction, however, is where the case presently stands.


Is the above true as stated or is the truth somewhere else? I wish the writer of this article would verify what actually happened and was said during the above so called orders before making a statement of fact.

I think Zimmerman was already out of the vehicle and following Martin when he was asked if he was following. He replied in the affirmative and was told that they preferred him not to follow or something to that effect. At which time he stopped following and began his return to the vehicle. The attack then occurred.

If this is what happened then the assertion he disobeyed is a falsehood that needs to be correct. I’m sure at trial we’ll hear testimony of the occurrence.


20 posted on 05/25/2012 6:47:15 PM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: I see my hands

Here’s my analysis...

Whites fear this case will set a precedence that whites will no longer be allowed to defend themselves against black criminals, since if a hispanic can’t do so, there’s no way they will let a white guy do so.

Blacks fear this case will set a precedence that blacks will no longer be allowed to walk around freely in white areas and that if they do they will be assumed guilty and confronted by gun carrying whites and if the blacks do not respond with total subservience and submission to the whites, they will be shot.

The above fear of the blacks is, in my opinion, mistaken and was created by a negligent and incompetent and possibly criminally liable media.


21 posted on 05/25/2012 6:48:45 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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22 posted on 05/25/2012 6:52:48 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Fat, drunk and stupid = Dumb, dependent, and Democrat)
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To: mamelukesabre
Based on your post.....Obama might become schizophrenic.
23 posted on 05/25/2012 6:54:23 PM PDT by Osage Orange (God is my Co-Pilot.)
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To: Osage Orange

well, I left out the part about the gun grabbers using this as an excuse to make anyone with a gun look bad.


24 posted on 05/25/2012 6:58:32 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: South40


25 posted on 05/25/2012 7:03:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: shadowland

From the 911 transcript and maps f the neighbrhood, it appears that Zimmerman wasn’t in his truck when the dispatcher said they didn’t need him to follow the suspect. He was at the other end of the street from the truck.


26 posted on 05/25/2012 7:03:43 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What is particularly disturbing is the hatred that has been directed at him, to the point of a bounty placed on his head by groups that have faced no consequences for such threats.

It appears the Justice Department refuses to pursue criminals of a certain classification.

27 posted on 05/25/2012 7:08:05 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: ex91B10

How wrong would I be to think that:

1. This case will lead to civil unrest
2. If it does not that something else will before summer is over
3. If oblablaloon wins in November we are sunk
4. If oblablaloon does not win in November there will be hell to pay.


28 posted on 05/25/2012 7:14:50 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: gitmo

Yes, he had already left his truck when the dispatcher told him he didn’t need to ‘do that.’

What is amazing is that we, just out here reading this on the internet can pick up all the nuances of that recording. Yet people paid to report on this. People who presumably have the same transcript available to them that we read. Commentators of left right and center. All these ‘professional journalists’ get this one detail so horribly wrong? It almost seems like it is contrived to breathe life into what should have long been a dead story.


29 posted on 05/25/2012 7:16:30 PM PDT by shadowland
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is also disconcerting to contemplate the possibility that Mr. Zimmerman could be scapegoated to avoid the eruption of civil unrest

Mr. Zimmerman will most surely be "scapegoated" if he wins a trial or if he charges are dropped. The kenyans will descend on him with a "civil rights" trial at the end of which he will be sentenced to more time than would be at all likely for conviction of mere 2d degree.

30 posted on 05/25/2012 7:33:36 PM PDT by arthurus ( Read Henry hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived.

Why, after all this time, do they still spread this inaccuracy?
Blame the victim, hug the thug.

31 posted on 05/25/2012 7:36:42 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Sequoyah101

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


32 posted on 05/25/2012 7:48:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: mamelukesabre

Some Blacks (men and women) have a habit of intimidating and beating up people when they feel dissed or just want to pull off a crime. The edgy temperment makes people afraid of them and they like it. Thug makes them feel powerful.

I think that is what Trayvon was engaged in doing to Zimmerman. Blacks are afraid of losing the bully thug power like Trayvon did if conceal carrying targets are allowed to shoot someone who attacks them. A lot more people are carrying these days. Instead of gaming the criminal justice system or going to prision, they will be dispatched by their targets to an early grave.

An armed society is a polite society. A lot of Blacks are not polite and they don’t want to lose thug power.


33 posted on 05/25/2012 7:56:56 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Comrade citizen! You mussst OBEY the dispatchers ORDERS!”


34 posted on 05/25/2012 7:58:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When Zimmerman is acquitted, I hope he goes after the MSM, Late night talk hosts, and slugs at MSNBC who generated all the falsities about him and made him a target, Then he should go after the Black Pathers and the Obama/Holder Injustice for non-blacks department.


35 posted on 05/25/2012 8:25:33 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Finally somebody said it. Any cop knows a dispatcher can’t give orders. Orders come from police supervisors. Been there. Take it from an ex-cop.


36 posted on 05/25/2012 8:28:12 PM PDT by pankot
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/18/megyn-kelly-interviews-alan-dershowitz-bernie-goldberg-is-there-such-a-thing-as-a-but-if-clause-video/

Megyn Kelly Interviews Alan Dershowitz & Bernie Goldberg. Is There Such A Thing As The “But-If” Clause? – (Video)

Posted on May 18, 2012by Ad rem

This morning, Megyn Kelly conducted an excellent interview with both Alan Dershowitz and Bernie Goldberg regarding George Zimmerman and the issues that will define a successful claim of self-defense. Kelly did a marvelous job of handling the give and take between her guests, leading to specifics like a “perfect” and “imperfect” self-defense being explained by Dershowitz…who then went on to claim that it doesn’t make any difference WHO started the initial encounter.

In Florida, the defendant is accorded “perfect” self-defense even if he started the confrontation. Many states have “imperfect” self-defense that would consider the fact that your actions may have led up to the confrontation, and thus you would not be safe from criminal prosecution. Kelly said she believes the prosecution’s case will in all probability come down to the written testimony of the police officer who wrote that the incident could have been avoided had Zimmerman not confronted Martin. Dershowitz’s response? “There is no such thing as a “But-If” clause. Really, an excellent interview.


37 posted on 05/25/2012 8:36:49 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: SaraJohnson

Spot on.

You see that attitude daily if you see much news. Search for the Piggly Wiggly story here today for an example.


38 posted on 05/25/2012 8:42:30 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SaraJohnson

“An armed society is a polite society. A lot of Blacks are not polite and they don’t want to lose thug power.”

Good assessment of the situation.


39 posted on 05/25/2012 8:51:46 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: mamelukesabre

OK - I’m going to throw a huge hypothetical out for folks to play with:

There is so much scuttlebutt about Obama and how his signing of a particularly worrisome Executive Order giving himself far more authority than any President has had before him to declare Martial Law and control EVERYTHING... There are other rumors flooding about that he will be the spearhead of a massive racial “uprising” or other major “disaster” that will give him the excuse he “needs” to take advantage of those new powers...

So - is there any chance of a Zimmerman trial between now and the election - or even before the 2013 inauguration?

Considering the riots and other civil unrest that has happened in conjunction with unfavorable decisions/rulings over the years... and the fact that Zimmerman has already been ruled as “guilty” in the eyes of many Americans (thanks to the flagrant lies of the MSM and the loud pontification from the race-baiters) - while the evidence is mounting up high that Zimmerman fits NONE of the images painted of him. Not racist, not violent, and overall - what very well could be considered a “good guy”.... who indeed DID have the injuries claimed, and who didn’t “go looking for a black guy to shoot” as we were led to believe...

A verdict of “not guilty” could spark the worst race riots this nation has ever seen. The only thing I can think of that might be even worse - would be the if Congress were to impeach and convict Obama for his easily provable “high crimes and misdemeanors”.


40 posted on 05/25/2012 9:03:54 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: TheBattman

Unless there is some really significant information that none of us know about, I don’t see how a judge could even let this go to trial.


41 posted on 05/25/2012 9:21:05 PM PDT by shadowland
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To: MNDude

Can You Say “Lynching”....?


42 posted on 05/25/2012 9:23:40 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

May I recommend that the illustrious attorney Bune be banished for life to the ‘bunedocks’ from whence she came?

I’ll contribute five dollars towards hiring a short bus for her trip back.
;-)


43 posted on 05/25/2012 9:24:33 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: deport
I guess the lesson to be learned from the information-remain in vehicle until police arrive-is that when young black males are about one should stay in their vehicle, roll up the windows and lock the doors. Urban safari anyone?
44 posted on 05/25/2012 9:53:59 PM PDT by yadent
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To: SaraJohnson

Well articulated!


45 posted on 05/25/2012 9:56:22 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: TheBattman

The judge could easily release Mr. Zimmerman under Stand Your Ground, simple self-defense, or just on the fact that there’s no “there” there. But if it does come down to Martial Law:

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


46 posted on 05/25/2012 10:00:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He wasn’t ordered to at all. Dispatcher said something like “We don’t need you to do that”.

So what? He’s a neighborhood patrol A quasi sheriff. Had he followed and stopped Martin from murdering 3 children he would be a hero. Instead he followed a suspicious person who then confronted him violently. Who was then shot.

The real crime here is the incite to riot, incite to injure or maim, and an offer for a contract killing of Zimmerman.

Why hasn’t the Justice Department arrested and charged Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and/or the leaders of the new black panthers?


47 posted on 05/25/2012 10:06:51 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived.

Wasn't ordered and couldn't be if the dispatcher had. As noted above. WashTimes fails Journo 101.

48 posted on 05/25/2012 10:20:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: pankot
Any cop knows a dispatcher can’t give orders. Orders come from police supervisors. Been there. Take it from an ex-cop.

Can any cop give a lawful order, that must be obeyed, over the phone, in a situation like that? To clarify Zimmerman's situation let's recall that the dispatcher told Zimmerman to keep an eye on Martin prior to saying "we don't need you to do that."

49 posted on 05/25/2012 10:33:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Sequoyah101
Correct on all accounts.


50 posted on 05/26/2012 4:44:34 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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