Posted on 01/31/2016 8:14:52 AM PST by Sioux-san
The 2016 presidential race is not about whether Donald Trump would make a better president than Senator Ted Cruz.
It is not about Fox News, nor about the shameful way the journalists of the day now moderate presidential debates.
It is not about the latest National Enquirer type, 11th-hour smear, lies and claimed Sainthood. That was both the 2008 and 2012 election.
The 2016 election is about the possibility of releasing the USA from its lockdown of hatred, a hatred that has all but swiped America off the world map...
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Agreed.
To me, all the talk about important Presidential elections was surpassed in the last election, when American hating, Muslim Supporting Barack Obama was elected to his second term, after his first term showed he was going to systematically weaken and dismantle this country.
We now can't put this country back together again, it's gone, it's too late, Obama's second term finished it off, and we have to look to the future like it or not, and get off out butts and have a say in it's future. -Tom
Actually I had a discussion with Freeper WhiskeyX last night and he told me McCain was not born in the canal zone but in a hospital in Cologne. He has been studying this for a long time and seems very informed. The history is that either you are born on US soil with 2 US citizen parents or you have diplomatic immunity in another country which means another country can’t claim you as a citizen.
So that would make sense because I recall that the rats and the GOP got together and resolved McCain’s issue (which I misunderstood at the time) and agreed in turn to ignore Obama’s ineligibility.
I see this as paving the way for the globalization of the USA because Obama was obviously going to do their bidding and I imagine so would have McCain.
Cruz is not the answer, he just adds to a very serious problem - something he is well aware of.
I know you meant to say Colon (Panama).
So many people were misinformed about this in 2008. If McCain were ineligible, even if he had a shadow of a doubt about his eligibility (why the need for a Senate Resolution???? with BO approving it?) he never should have thrown his hat in the ring, war hero or not, American citizen parents abroad in the service of the U.S. military or not. He was in the "gray zone" and we don't need any "gray zone" candididates -- we need Article II eligibility free and clear.
I know this is wishful thinking, but I think if McCain owned up to his ineligibility for the office and said his 2008 campaign was a mistake, begged forgiveness from the American people, and openly threw his support to Trump -- what do you think?
I think it would be a wonderfully clarifying, purifying moment for our nation.
Yes, I meant Colon. :-)
These candidates let their ambition get in the way of doing the right thing...a giant red flag to start off with.
In Cruz’s case it’s particulary aggredegious because of his claims of total knowledge on the subject. As we’ve seen with Obama this can also mean you figure you know how to get around the constitution.
oops...my corrections didn’t take.
particularly egregious....
It’s getting to the point (and two points make a line) where if I hear someone loudly assert “I’m a Constitutional expert, I taught Constitutional Law, I’m a defender of the Constitution, don’t question me” I do a perimeter check. :(
Although we can certainly see a big difference between someone such as Ted Cruz, born in Canada but brought back to America as a toddler, and someone such as Arnold S. who was born overseas and became naturalized as an adult.
I guess I don’t see the big breach of integrity you speak of. Rubio was born and raised in America. Cruz was raised in America from age 2 onward. Realistically, nobody is going to stop either from running for president, unless courts get involved.
I know. I'm shocked that so many on FR are now saying Obama is eligible because they want their own ineligible candidate.
Exactly
It saddens me how easily people have fallen for this stuff - no, actually it’s frightening. After Obama you’d think conservatives at least would know better.
There was no military hospital in the Canal Zone, and that’s why McCain was born in Colon, Panama, hospital. Hence the clarification on eligibility by the Senate in 2008. Amazing they didn’t take up the issue of Obama as Hillary’s team were the original Birthers trying to get traction. Here you have a man admitting through written word and speeches about his foreign daddy and foreign birth place.
My problem with Cruz beyond the eligibility issue is the Goldman Sachs wife and insider status for a very long time. He is not what he appears to be in his posturing as an outsider.
Yes I agree. Not what he is claiming to be.
The Rule of Man! Hmmm, don’t think it would work - it would nice if the Constitution would simply be clarified through a Congressional law, signed by the POTUS, and upheld by SCOTUS! If no one really cares any more where you were born and who your parents are and where they came from, then clarify through LAW not whim of the moment. Just fast forward to when a very high percentage of the population will be immigrants. This needs to get resolved.
Constitutional Amendment on President/Vice President eligibility:
1) 45 years old (the new ‘35’)
2) Born on American soil (i.e., Native Born) unless parents were in the diplomatic service or in the military; and
3) Both parents were native born or naturalized American citizens age 18 or older at the time of your birth.
I don’t know if my responses in Posts 30 and 32 help. My point is that this needs to get resolved in a reasonable way that allows people to be properly vetted. I hate feeling bamboozled again by “our side” that just wants to pretend the rules count sometimes but not when it may hurt our guys.
I definitely agree that candidates should be vetted, and vetted based on consistent criteria.
So, if one criterion that is established in law is that both parents must be American citizens for a person to run for president, so be it.
If another criterion is that one is natural born if born in another country to American citizen parents, then that too should be followed.
I think there’s a lot of back and forth on this issue because there has not been any recent court ruling on what “natural born” means relating to the presidency. I don’t know if there’s ever been a ruling anytime in history on that subject.
Agreed that this issue should be resolved in some reasonable way. Realistically I think such resolution will have to come from the federal courts.
2016 is about the visceral hatred of Obama
I felt it in 2008
I think the fact that we have lost our sense of what "American" means, is the root of the problem. Have we forgotten? If we know what an American is (is this still found in some form in our naturalization tests for prospective citizens?) we will certainly know what a natural-born American citizen is. Do any schools today ask their students as part of civics/American history to take the citizenship test, just to get an idea of the process?
Colon, Panama: named for the man who discovered America, Christopher Cologne.
Of course Obama has a visceral hatred of America. America solidified the concept that we are all ore own captains in life. Prior to this we as a species always depended on our leaders to chart our destinies for us. This generally guaranteed that most people were emotional cripples. Much to the advantage of the sociopaths that have no concept of empathy that previously ruled supreme. Just look at Islam. Founded by one of the most devious sociopath in history. Only such an intellect could cause their fellow human follower hate themselves so thoroughly.
“I know you meant to say Colon (Panama).”
Yes, thanks, I suspect the automatic spell check switched it when I wasn’t looking.
“I know this is wishful thinking, but I think if McCain owned up to his ineligibility for the office and said his 2008 campaign was a mistake, begged forgiveness from the American people, and openly threw his support to Trump — what do you think?”
Zero chance. I had hoped Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, or Michelle Bachmann would have set an example for personal integrity by openly acknowledging their ineligibility, but that never happened either. Accordingly, I have lost respect for those politicians and their supporters who deny their ineligibility and disparage the people who are defending the Constitution.
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