Posted on 08/30/2023 10:02:25 AM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
They most certainly “can” be...by virtual of Obama’s election and 8 years as president.
For all you commenting “it’s too late” “doesnt matter now” etc
So if someone does something wrong you just say oh well that wrong thing is now ok to do? Great parenting let alone nation safeguarding.
I dont even care about how S court ruled on some matters related to this, they are not always right, or inline with constitution.
Just because afew people dont stand on principle doesnt mean we should cave too. God is watching to see how many will stand firm or go mushy.
So, anyone who has a parent born outside the U.S., is not eligible to be president?
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When you press the NBC kooks on their made up notions, yeah. This is what they believe.
Oh. Except for Donald Trump. His mother was born in Scotland, but let’s give him a pass.
That train left the station in 2008.
But.....Obama became president so all bets are off.
Right you are. And in this case, the federal courts are going to do nothing. So they’re be no injunctions, no holds, no nothing.
It’s an interesting theoretical argument, something to debate. But realistically, it’s a dead and buried issue, a totally moot point.
Trump’s mother was a naturalized Citizen before he was born. Therefore he was a natural born Citizen from two US Citizen parents.
It’s a moot point because in a few years it will be impossible to know where anyone is really from.
However, if we have Federalist papers or other writings from Hamilton or Jay or Jefferson about how "natural born citizen" should be interpreted, then I'll take that over my Article 14 approach.
A number of presidents have had parents born outside the United States, James Buchanan for instance. I haven’t seen a reference that his father was naturalized before James was born.
Like I said... you twist and distort your own strict, goofy, and inaccurate definitions of NBC when it suits you.
Face it. You are a racist. You are in fear of these brown people getting power. Yet you had no serious oppositions to Goldwater, McCain, Cruz, Trump or other white people.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text
Notice who the senators were that put up this banner!
The law business went woke a long time ago.. by the way, I was taught in late 60’s (8thgrade), what ‘natural born citizenship’ was. Only US citizens birthing their child in a U.S. state have ‘natural born citizenship’.. I was born in Germany, thus I am not nor will I ever be a natural born US citizen.
And another issue which is seldom discussed, is how would the Supreme Court ever rule on this? Who is going to bring a lawsuit in court on this?
The Supreme Court doesn’t just issue opinions because someone talks about an issue. Someone somewhere, will have to file a lawsuit against a specific candidate for president, and claim that such person is not a natural born citizen.
Then at that point, some lower courts, not even the Supreme Court yet, would issue an opinion.
It is rare for the Supreme Court to take a case which has not yet been through the lower federal courts.
Wrong. Thats not what you always get.
I’ve always seen that its not about where a parent was born but whether or not both parents are US Citizens at time child was born.
Child who may be future President shouldn’t have any allegiance to country or people other than the USA.
Obama himself gave various info about his birth and parents and clearly didnt have sole allegiance to the USA. Just because he was pushed upon the country and held office for 2 terms doesnt mean you throw out what the founders thought was important. Obama shows us its ALL the more important to keep solid guidelines going forward.
“What the term means to the last Supreme Court justices that bothered to rule on it is what actually carries weight.”
They already have. My history is hazy, been a long time since I read it, but there was a ruling about citizenship in the 60s. The Supreme Court ruled on a citizenship case, and mentioned natural born citizenship as in the context of having citizen parents.
The Naturalization Act of 1790 defined it as having citizen parents.
The constitution says natural born citizen or living in the country when the constitution was adopted. So, if you can find someone who was born in England, brought to the colonies by their parents when young, and still alive at 260 or so, that person would be eligible.
This source highlights many pertinent writings & speeches to inform your opinion on what the founders meant by natural born citizen. When supreme court justices are appointed Conservatives choose those who interpret the Constitution as the founders intended based on the writings of the time rather than ruling on the basis of a debased judicially created modern interpretation.
We leave that for the liberals, America's enemies.
Origins & Interpretation of Presidential Eligibility Clause
The 14th Amendment doesn’t say that all persons born in the U.S. are citizens. It says that “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” are citizens. That second, critical, conditional phrase is conveniently ignored or misinterpreted by advocates of “birthright” citizenship.
Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike.
But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual.
The fact that a tourist or illegal alien is subject to our laws and our courts if they violate our laws does not place them within the political “jurisdiction” of the United States as that phrase was defined by the framers of the 14th Amendment.
This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens.
“So, anyone who has a parent born outside the U.S., is not eligible to be president?”
If the parent is a naturalized citizen when the person is born, yes.
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