Posted on 02/12/2024 11:09:57 AM PST by Rummyfan
Today is the anniversary of the birth of America’s great or greatest president, Abraham Lincoln. As a politician and as president, Lincoln was a profound student of the Constitution and constitutional history. Perhaps most important, Lincoln was America’s indispensable teacher of the moral ground of political freedom at the exact moment when the country was on the threshold of abandoning what he called its “ancient faith” that all men are created equal.
In 1858 Lincoln attained national prominence in the Republican Party as the result of the contest for the Senate seat held by Stephen Douglas. It was Lincoln’s losing campaign against Douglas that made him a figure of sufficient prominence that he could be the party’s 1860 presidential nominee.
At the convention of the Illinois Republican Party in June, Lincoln was the unanimous choice to run against Douglas. After declaring him their candidate late on the afternoon of June 16, the entire convention returned that evening to hear Lincoln speak. Accepting the convention’s nomination, Lincoln gave one of the most incendiary speeches in American history.
Lincoln electrified the convention, asserting that the institution of slavery had made the United States “a house divided against itself.” Slavery would either be extirpated or become lawful nationwide, Lincoln predicted, provocatively quoting scriptural authority to the effect that “a house divided against itself cannot stand.” Demonstrating how it “changed the course of history,” Harry Jaffa calls it “[t]he speech that changed the world.”
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Yeah. Score one for you. Still your side lost making you a loser!
From the 14th. Amendment Citizenship Clause : ‘’A state has no right to sever the bond between a US citizen and that national government through secession or otherwise’’.
Fourteenth Amendment
Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Again from the 14th. Amendments Citizenship Clause: “A state has no right to sever the bond between a US citizen and that national government through secession or otherwise.
You left that part out Reb. Look it up.
Says the guy who calls himself a loser. LOL!
Here is the entire text of the 14th amendment - which was never lawfully passed.
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
You've been provided the entire text of the 14th amendment. What you wrote, ain't there.
Mr Lincoln took care of the last group of people willing to take to arms regarding what federalism should really look like
But all this was the result of Lincoln having launched the fleet of warships with belligerent intent, so Lincoln is ultimately responsible for causing the whole thing to start.
It’s NOT in there.
Go use any search engine you want General and ask this question: Which amendment to the US Constitution prohibits secession and the answer will come back the 14th. Amendment.
Do it and deal with it.
Look up the Citizenship Clause. As I told your buddy central va use any search engine you want and ask this question: Which amendment to the US Constitution prohibits secession and the answer will come back the 14th. Amendment.
Do it and shut up.
No matter how many times Bro Joe K sets the record straight you and your Confederate buddies keep denying the truth. What are you Lost Causers after? Are you trying to rewrite history? Are you trying to change what happened between 1861 and 1865? Your Lost Cause wet dream is just that, a dream. Stop the pettifogging , the foot stomping and holding your breath. The South seceded from the Union and waged a war against the duly elected government of The United States in order to preserve an economic system based on the use of slave labor. A war the Confederacy had every intention of winning because only a fool fights a war halfway. In warfare there's no second place prize for the runner up. The South lost it's gambit. Deal with it.
Read the 14th amendment. Its entire text was provided for you by two of us. Nowhere does it say what you are claiming. There are no additional clauses or text.
Do it and shut up.
Go look again reb. The 14th. Amendment prohibits secession.
Deal with , you Lost Cause loser. What are you Confederates after?
Are you trying to change the out come of 1865?
It’s never going to happen.
The South chose the path of secession and war to preserve an economic system based on the use of slave labor and lost.
Again, use any search engine you want and ask the question about which amendment prohibits secession and the answer will be the 14th.
Show us where in the text Yank. Oh wait. You can't. Because its not there. Because you were talking out of your ass. As usual.
Your side launched a war and lost.
Deal with it.
Nope! You were provided the text of the 14th amendment - the entire text. Twice in fact. Nowhere does it say what you claim it said.
Oh and Lincoln started the war. So that's another lie on your part.
Google it jerk. Ask the question and get the answer.
Read the amendment loser. What you claimed is there is obviously not.
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