Posted on 07/15/2006 10:48:32 AM PDT by Xing Daorong
I don't understand, some people say that Islam is responsible for terrorism today, rather than those who manipulate and perversely interpret Islam to further their murderous aims.
Islam is so similiar to Christianity that there isn't even a point to it, every quote showing "Judeao-Christian hatred" can be logically explained by anyone who has read the Quran.
We have groups like Muslims for Bush (now Muslims for America) a primarily Republican group of American muslims supporting the War on Terror.
Addendum to #56: Because the Osama lovers and irreligious power hungry thugocrats publish hateful lies and slander...
I showed you protests against terror in Bahrain, what do these people have to do to show you they don't support terrorism?
"Some of them are from terrorists. "
Terrorist TV stations?
"In fact, a lot of the rulers in these states aren't even religious."
You really ought to read the "scriptures" of this faith you defend.
"They aren't doing it because of the Koran."
The Koran backs them up. It always has.
"It's lust for power and greed, pure and simple."
That's exactly why Mohammad founded Islam. To satisfy his lusts.
*nods* Which is exactly why moderate Muslims need to pick up the pace.
"I showed you protests against terror in Bahrain, what do these people have to do to show you they don't support terrorism?"
Put a stop to it. Most of the "protests" -and there are very few- have been when Muslims were killed in terror bombings such as in Jordan.
Thank you. And thank you for posting this thread in the first place. We need this discussion and hopefully convince people that they are not all terrorists and treating Muslims as such would unnecessarily prolong the WOT and give valuable ammunition and support to the Islamofascists and liberals who are intent on undermining the WOT and turning more Muslims against us.
"Islam is not the only faith spread through war, Catholocism and Protestantism has been as well."
Islam was FOUNDED in war. That's a fundamental difference you intend we ignore.
I'm a devout Roman Catholic too and I vehemently disagree with you that there is such a close relation to Islam and Christianity. That's a bunch of ecumaniacal bull.
St. Alphonsus wrote this:
"But the holy monk (St. George of San Saba) having declared that Mahomet was a disciple of the devil, and that his followers were in a state of perdition, he also was condemned (to martyrdom) with his companions."
St. Francis' followers said this to the Muslims:
"We have come to preach faith in Jesus Christ to you, that you will renounce Mohammad, that wicked slave of the devil, and obtain everlasting life like us"
Villify them? I think they should be converted to the gospel of Jesus Christ, perhaps that would help them put down their arms and embrace peace once and for all.
"But the holy monk (St. George of San Saba) having declared that Mahomet was a disciple of the devil, and that his followers were in a state of perdition, he also was condemned (to martyrdom) with his companions."
Christians martyrs die for their faith.
Muslim martyrs kill for theirs.
Only know about the terrorist threats. Have heard an urban legend about "moderate" Muslims who may not feel the same way.
Is Muslims for America a propaganda or a Trojan horse site?
"Is Muslims for America a propaganda or a Trojan horse site?"
Probably about like CAIR, which is the Sinn Fein of Hamas.
Amen. Isn't that the truth? Strap a bomb on yourself, blow up innocent people, instant martyrdom and 72 doe eyed virgins awaits you for doing "Allah's" bidding.
That's not the God of Christianity. Nothing close to it!
To this point I concede, I have not read these berses before only ones that were taken out of context in the stories of the Quarashis.
"To this point I concede, I have not read these berses before only ones that were taken out of context in the stories of the Quarashis."
The Banu Qurayzah were murdered in mass and their wives and daughters raped by order of Mohammad (he participated). How do you take any of that out of context in any way that makes Mohammad look "peaceful"?
That's not exactly the Sermon on the Mount.....
"Terrorist TV stations?"
Al Manar, Al Jazeera
"You really ought to read the "scriptures" of this faith you defend."
You think I don't know about hadiths, Taqqiya, Mohammed? I know about all that and more. I don't know what the hell is going on. Maybe it's everything you guys say. Maybe it's like the Dead Sea Scrolls and some power hungry Arabs hid the real Koran and published a fake one. Maybe these verses only apply tio a certain period and is no longer relevant. The only way we could know is to ask God or Mohammed himself but we sure as hell can't do that.
Appropos of nothing, we shouldn't go around insulting their beliefs or advocating genocide. (caps for emphasis and yes I am shouting) BECAUSE IF SOMEONE ELSE TREATS US THE WAY THAT SOME FREEPERS SAY WE SHOULD TREAT MUSLIMS, WE WOULD NOT GIVE A SH!T IF THOSE PEOPLE ARE RIGHT AND WE ARE WRONG, WE WOULD STILL FIGHT THEM TOOTH AND NAIL BECAUSE WE'LL BE D@MNED IF WE SUBMIT TO INSULTS HEAP UPON OUR RELIGION, ALLEGATIONS THAT WE F**K ANIMALS, ACCUSATIONS OF WORSHIPPING SATAN, DENIGRATION OF PROPHETS AND LEADERS WE HOLD DEAR, INDISCRIMINATE KILLING BY THOSE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP US, AND THERMONUCLEAR GENOCIDE.
COnvert them, tell them to leave ISlam, make it moderate, leave them the hell alone, I don't care. But do it intelligently. We don't convert people by denigrating everything they stand for and threatening their very existence. And under no circumstance should we go around mistreating, deporting, harassing, or killing people just because of their faith. Last time I check, we don't pull Kristalnacht BS in America and people are actually innocent until proven guilty. IF Mahmoud doesn't f**ken blow any one up or harass women then we just leave him the hell alone. I'm sure the Muslims serving in our armed forces (some who have paid the ultimate sacrifice) would love to hear that they are being deported because of what they believe instead of what they do.
It never ceases to amaze me how willing we are to sell out our principles, freedom, and morality for the sake of security. Please tell me that once we intern/deport/gas all them "ragheads" that some lib wouldn't try to pull some similar BS on us.
Because one man, a holy one mind you, called Muhammed the devil doesn't make it true. I do reluctantly believe now that Islam does leave an open door for a violent interpretation, maybe you all are right about Islam. I hope that it isn't truly the way it appears here.
Indeed, before the Islamofascists or the genocidal maniacs get a hold of them.
Well said. I'll have to invite a Muslim I know to join, he can explain these suras the users have posted for sure.
You've identified the major stumbling block correctly, and it is a major concern.
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