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First particles injected into Large Hadron Collider atom smasher
Telegraph ^ | 8/21/08 | Jad Marrouche

Posted on 08/21/2008 7:43:56 PM PDT by LibWhacker

The first particles have been injected into the biggest atom smasher on the planet, marking the start of the countdown to probing the secrets of the universe.

Scientists are pushing ahead with powering up the machine, shrugging off speculative fears that it could destroy all life on Earth by sucking it into a black hole.

Starting up the biggest scientific experiment ever built is not as simple as flipping a switch.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: cern; collider; hadron; higgs; higgsboson; stringtheory
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1 posted on 08/21/2008 7:43:56 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Hmmm I wonder if it hurts to be sucked into a black hole?
susie


2 posted on 08/21/2008 7:46:33 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: LibWhacker

Thanks for link...


3 posted on 08/21/2008 7:48:31 PM PDT by Thinkin
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To: brytlea

Dunno if it hurts, but I bet it sucks...


4 posted on 08/21/2008 7:48:54 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: LibWhacker

How many problems have they had with this thing leading up to this point?


5 posted on 08/21/2008 7:49:01 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953
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To: brytlea

Not to worry. They’ve tested it out by slamming skeeters into each other and haven’t seen any black holes form yet. ;-)


6 posted on 08/21/2008 7:51:53 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: guitarplayer1953

Ask Gilligan.


7 posted on 08/21/2008 7:52:23 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Proud participant in "Operation Chaos")
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, yes, I suppose it would, in more ways than one! ;)

susie


8 posted on 08/21/2008 7:53:16 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: LibWhacker

Like they would tell us if they DID form a black hole that sucked the earth into it!


9 posted on 08/21/2008 7:54:37 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Don’t know how many. I think the most serious problem so far was when start-up was delayed a few months because several of the large magnets were found at the last minute not to meet specs.


10 posted on 08/21/2008 7:56:50 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Whew! We survived. /sarc off
...of course the Eviro-Weenies, are protesting / scared.

11 posted on 08/21/2008 7:57:17 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: brytlea

You might enjoy this final segment from a British TV movie, “END:DAY”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1vKisefsuI


12 posted on 08/21/2008 7:58:09 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Who's that? From what I have heard it has already ripped some mirrors off the the wall of the accelerator, and that was not even at full power.
13 posted on 08/21/2008 7:58:20 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953
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To: LibWhacker

Oh fer cryn’ out loud....Like it’s going to rip apart space-time and we’re.....uh....I hear something......


14 posted on 08/21/2008 8:01:48 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (John Gard for Congress; WI 8th CD)
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To: brytlea

But at least we will be witnessing history, for a very brief moment....the God Particle.
Amen.


15 posted on 08/21/2008 8:02:54 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: guitarplayer1953

April 2007: “A 43-foot-long magnet for the world’s largest particle collider broke “with a loud bang and a cloud of dust’’ during a high-pressure test,...”

“Fermilab said the failure that broke a glass cloth-epoxy laminate support resulted from a test of “asymmetric’’ or irregular force. Subsequent testing showed that the support was inadequate to withstand the longitudinal forces, which had been overlooked in the design process.” “We are dumbfounded that we missed some very simple balance of forces.’’

http://www.livescience.com/technology/070403_cern_prob.html

(Wonder what else they “overlooked in the design process”?)


16 posted on 08/21/2008 8:03:03 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: LibWhacker

Don’t cross the streams. It would be bad.


17 posted on 08/21/2008 8:03:39 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: LibWhacker
shrugging off speculative fears that it could destroy all life on Earth by sucking it into a black hole.

It would just be sooner rather than later. Everything in the Solar system will eventually be consumed by the black hole at the center of our Milky Way Galaxy. It's gonna' be HEAVY, Man!

18 posted on 08/21/2008 8:03:45 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: wxgesr

I think I remember being told, years ago, that if we go into a black hole we would be infinitely long and thin. I like the thin part—would it also make me infinitely rich?
susie


19 posted on 08/21/2008 8:04:24 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: brytlea

Well, you’ll feel very heavy, so for women, YES!


20 posted on 08/21/2008 8:07:07 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: LibWhacker

Well, at least then they’d LITERALLY be throwing tax dollars in a black hole!


21 posted on 08/21/2008 8:08:18 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: brytlea
Here's Wikipedia: Effects of Falling into a Black Hole.

This seems to be the relevant bit.

As an infalling object approaches the singularity, tidal forces acting on it approach infinity. All components of the object, including atoms and subatomic particles, are torn away from each other before striking the singularity. At the singularity itself, effects are unknown; it is believed that a theory of quantum gravity is needed to accurately describe events near it.

Sounds like fun.

22 posted on 08/21/2008 8:09:37 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Wow, great special effects. Now...I think I’ll go say my prayers....
susie


23 posted on 08/21/2008 8:12:32 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: Still Thinking

Oh great, and I’ve been SO good on my diet! Unfair!


24 posted on 08/21/2008 8:13:20 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: TheWasteLand

Kinda sounds like I wouldn’t be able to know how much fun I was actually experiencing! Bummer....

susie


25 posted on 08/21/2008 8:14:41 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: brytlea

Yes, but all those little toothpick girls will weigh trillions of tons! Revenge!


26 posted on 08/21/2008 8:16:01 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking

OK, I’m all about that! Thanks for cheering me up!
susie


27 posted on 08/21/2008 8:19:25 PM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
Thanks I could not remember if it was a mirror or a magnet. Like you said what else have they overlooked. I would have them error on the side of caution rather on the side of ego. Like some have said it is unwise to tread where angels fear to go.
28 posted on 08/21/2008 8:21:04 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953
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To: SunkenCiv

Might be of interest.


29 posted on 08/21/2008 8:36:17 PM PDT by BBell
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To: LibWhacker

This is why we have never encountered any spacefaring civilizations. Long before they perfect fast interstellar travel, they invent something like the LHC, fire it up, and promptly obliterate themselves.

We’re DOOMED...DOOMED, I SAY!!! ;-)


30 posted on 08/21/2008 8:55:06 PM PDT by TampaDude (Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.)
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To: LibWhacker
Let's see: The world's biggest machine moving the smallest particles, which no one can see, to understand matter far off in the universe that no one can see. And to do this it uses enough energy to power a small city.
I think I understand.
31 posted on 08/21/2008 8:58:01 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Only the British could make that! LOL


32 posted on 08/21/2008 9:09:21 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: brytlea

//I like the thin part—would it also make me infinitely rich?
susie//

I am not totally certain, but I do sell ‘black hole credits’ on a sliding scale :^)


33 posted on 08/21/2008 9:12:45 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: LibWhacker

Any Christian knows this is not going to destroy the planet.


34 posted on 08/21/2008 9:26:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: TheWasteLand

Sounds like marriage...


35 posted on 08/21/2008 9:38:02 PM PDT by griffin
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To: BBell; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...
Thanks BBell, definitely a good one.

36 posted on 08/21/2008 9:40:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: TheWasteLand
As an infalling object approaches the singularity, tidal forces acting on it approach infinity. All components of the object, including atoms and subatomic particles, are torn away from each other before striking the singularity. At the singularity itself, effects are unknown; it is believed that a theory of quantum gravity is needed to accurately describe events near it.

Is this what happened to agent Spalko in Indy IV?
37 posted on 08/21/2008 9:43:51 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: SunkenCiv

Has anyone bothered to calculate at what rate a nanoblack hole would consume the Earth? If a blackhole ‘seed’ comes into being at Cern, how long before Cern is gone? Is there any sort of calculation for that scenario? ... Oh really? You mean they haven’t actually calculated all possibilities due to a prejudice for a particualr outcome? Interesting


38 posted on 08/21/2008 9:54:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: swatbuznik
I think what happened to agent Spalko in Indy 4 is referred to, colloquially, as a "Lucas". That is to say, tragically killing off something that had potential for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

Also see Boba Fett.

And the Star Wars and Indy franchises.

39 posted on 08/21/2008 10:06:48 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: MHGinTN

The problem has been looked at, and odds have actually been calculated. Better to be concerned about impacts from space. :’)


40 posted on 08/21/2008 10:15:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

Actually, I’m not asking about the odds, I’m asking if anyone has calculated the rate at which the mass of the surroundings woul dbe incorporated if indeed a blackhole is formed that does not evaporate immediately in Hawking radiation.


41 posted on 08/21/2008 10:24:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: LibWhacker
Shades of Einstein's Bridge
42 posted on 08/21/2008 10:33:02 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Define yourself by what you do, not by your ideology, belief, origins, genitals, etc ....)
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To: MHGinTN

Any mini black holes (if they were to form) wouldn’t be massive enough to endure.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/stringtheory/


43 posted on 08/21/2008 10:40:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Artificial black hole created in lab
Physicsworld | 06 Mar 2008 | Jon Cartwright
Posted on 03/07/2008 11:26:00 AM PST by BGHater
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1982090/posts

Lawsuit: Huge Atom Smasher Could Destroy World
(French/Swiss Hadron Collider)
Fox News | 3-28-08 | Paul Wagenseil
Posted on 03/28/2008 11:52:07 AM PDT by springtime4hillary
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1993231/posts

Asking a Judge to Save the World, and Maybe a Whole Lot More
NY Times | March 29, 2008 | Dennis Overbye
Posted on 03/30/2008 8:29:16 PM PDT by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1994233/posts

Atom-smashing lab says experiment to start end-June
[scoffs at fear of black hole destroying Earth]
AP via Yahoo! | 5/27/08 | AFP
Posted on 05/27/2008 12:53:48 PM PDT by Brilliant
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2022043/posts

Tech giants use controversial project as test bed
(Hadron Collider threatens the earth says Suit)
MarketWatch | June 12, 2008 7:03 p.m. EDT | John Letzing, MarketWatch
Posted on 06/13/2008 12:01:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2030707/posts

Earth Will Survive After All, Physicists Say
NY Times | June 21, 2008 | Dennis Overbye
Posted on 06/22/2008 11:44:33 AM PDT by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2034785/posts

Lawsuit stirs fear of ‘strangelets’ destroying the Earth
Market Watch | June 12, 2008 | John Letzing
Posted on 07/01/2008 9:35:45 AM PDT by glymers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2039237/posts

Physicists Allay Fears of the End of the World
Spiegel ONLINE | 8-06-08 | Charles Hawley
Posted on 08/07/2008 7:56:01 PM PDT by 444Flyer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2058393/posts

The Large Hadron Collider was tested this weekend
and a black hole hasn’t destroyed the Earth...yet
VentureBeat | August 10th, 2008 | MG Siegler
Posted on 08/12/2008 9:12:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2060567/posts


44 posted on 08/21/2008 10:45:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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CERN to Morons: Large Hadron Collider Won’t Destroy Earth. Morons.
Gizmodo | 3/31/08
Posted on 04/03/2008 12:56:00 AM PDT by LibWhacker
44 posted on 08/12/2008 8:57:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1995923/posts?page=44#44


45 posted on 08/21/2008 10:49:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Black holes not black after all
www.physorg.com | 05/13/2008 | Source: University of St Andrews
Posted on 05/13/2008 6:18:03 AM PDT by Red Badger
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2015217/posts

Meet the Indian who took on Stephen Hawking
Rediff.com | August 03, 2004 10:06 IST | Rediff.com
Posted on 08/02/2004 10:16:56 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1183887/posts


46 posted on 08/21/2008 10:56:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: valkyry1

LOL


47 posted on 08/22/2008 5:36:44 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: TampaDude

Yup, this is probably what caused the big bang, you know. And it just happens over and over and over...
susie


48 posted on 08/22/2008 5:37:54 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: LibWhacker

It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it.
It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.


49 posted on 08/22/2008 5:40:26 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: LibWhacker
Where's the kaboom?

There was supposed to be an earth shattering KABOOM!


50 posted on 08/22/2008 5:41:00 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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