The Sun gives life to our world, but it can take it just as easily [Wikimedia Commons]
Posted on 02/06/2009 9:27:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv
The 4.6-billion-year history of our solar system is nowhere crystal clear, astronomers admit. Instead, it's filled with questions as to the origin of some of its most remarkable feats. Here is a top 6 of these mysteries, as compiled by New Scientist... Another thing that concerns astronomers is the existence of Planet X, a hypothetical celestial body that supposedly circles our Sun on an orbit somewhere behind Pluto. Experts say that the distance it revolves around the Sun can only imply that the planet is frozen, but say that it could be as big as Mars, or even Earth. However, direct or even indirect observations of this body are impossible to date. One of the bigger mysteries concerns the origins of comets. There are multiple theories as to where they came from, but a growing feeling in the international astronomical community is that none of them can accurately explain their origin, despite the fact that they had humans on their toes several times in history... [Since] 1992, when the first exoplanet was found... nearly 300 have been identified, but they all reside in solar systems that look quite differently from our own... The latest mystery concerns the future fate of our solar system. Since its inception, it has led a relatively calm and peaceful existence, developing its planets and consolidating the Sun, but some fear that a cataclysm is on its way, although no one can say for sure if, when, and where it will hit. And we're talking here about collisions between planets, or planets falling into the star in the middle, not merely comet impacts and other such things.
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The Sun gives life to our world, but it can take it just as easily [Wikimedia Commons]
Despite the anti-catastrophism bias, worth reading these six short articles. Daffynition had already posted one:
Why are the sun and moon the same size in the sky?
New Scientist | 30 January 2009 | Marcus Chown
Posted on 01/31/2009 12:27:31 PM PST by Daffynition
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I’m sure this somehow supports YEC :-)
...Savin’ fer later...
Before the Creationists start claiming that that implies that our Solar System is somehow "unusual" and perhaps even "miraculous," let's all remember that the "different" appearance of those exo-solar systems is due merely to the so-called "observational effect." In other words: The detection methods our astronomers are currently using aren't capable of discovering solar systems resembling ours, but rather only "aberrant" solar systems with, e.g., Jupiter-sized bodies residing in inner-Mercurian orbits.
Regards,
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/29jul_planetx.htm
“planet X” is not a theory. NASA announced its discovery in 2005, 20 years after it was located. And 10 years after building an observatory in Anatarctica capable of watching it.
If this 10th planet is “planet X”, the orbit it is on is elliptical, not circular, around our sun. Hence the calamity when its elliptical orbit swings from beyind the solar systemn and through our solar system, between planets if we are somewhat lucky. However, the forces exerted on earth by this planet (or possibly a binary system of a planet orbiting its own brown dwarf star), will be devastating, as will be the aftermath of comet-like debris
If nothing else, Planet X (aka, Eris, or Nibiru or God Planet etc) explains a lot of ancient lore that is strikingly similar in cultures all over the globe.
Time should tell fairly soon (later this year or next) if this is “Planet X” and if the effects will be a physical threat to life as we know it - or not.
http://www.december212012.com/articles/PlanetX_Nibiru/NASA_AND_PLANET_X.htm
>In other words: The detection methods our astronomers are currently using aren’t capable of discovering solar systems resembling ours, but rather only “aberrant” solar systems with, e.g., Jupiter-sized bodies residing in inner-Mercurian orbits.
Indeed, we could liken it to a man without glasses who is amazed at the clarity of blurs whizzing about him. (Previously he was blind.)
Yes! If scientists are wrong about something, that’s proof they must be wrong about everything they ever said and besides that they are all evil!
j/k
Wrong.
The discovery of 2003 UB313 Eris, the 10th planet largest known dwarf planet
by Michael Brown
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/
[snip] ...The orbit of the new dwarf planet is even more eccentric than that of Pluto. Pluto moves from 30 to 50 times the sun-earth distance over its 250 year orbit, while the new planet moves from 38 to 97 times the sun-earth distance over its 560 year orbit. [end]
Here’s a good place for Cr/evo fights:
Solar System Secrets Solved
ICR | February 5, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.
Posted on 02/05/2009 11:30:17 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2179114/posts
...and
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126932.200-is-there-a-planet-x.html
Probably I’ve posted something on John Matese (Google John Matese site:freerepublic.com).
and if planet x is on a concentric orbit that stays way out beyond Pluto, we still won't know why the planets and their moons in the outer solar system are heating up and showing more volcanic activity
and there will be no need for that observatory built down in Antarctica in 1994 to search that part of the sky to watch it and Robert Harrington the (late) former Chief of the Naval Observatory got all excited about nothing and ran down to New Zealand and never came back for nothing
and we are spending $12 billion a year to develop satellite coverage over the poles not to watch for shift and measure magnetism fluctuations and undersea volcanic vents melting the ice caps from below- but will instead watch surface borne manmade carbon melt the ice caps from above
and what is supposed to start showing up in the sky visible to amateur astronomers this summer won't be that planet x
And people won't get all riled up by the fictional movie “2012” due out this summer
And 2012 will pass just as quietly as Y2K
and I will have some survival plans, skills and supplies to save for the next big tin foil hat scare!
I shot this image of Saturn not too long ago, before the planets rings lined up with earth.
Even though some atmospheric detail, and ring system separation can be seen, this image is not focused well or really clear, due to not really being set up for planetary work.
My setup is more for objects located far beyond our solar system.
But I must admit, it's a thrill every time I look at planets like Saturn, Jupiter and even objects like the lunar surface, where we can hop from mountain range to mountain range.
Canon 40D-10" Catadioptric SCT, at ISO-800, 1/8 second exposure
The point is, Eris isn’t the fictional planet Nibiru (an invention of unintentional comedy writer Z Sitchin). It’s somewhat bigger than Pluto, and isn’t on the verge of entering the inner Solar System.
Nibiru doesn’t exist, although if Sitchin were correct, it would have swung through here in the late centuries BC. Instead, bupkis.
Harrington (who coauthored some interesting stuff with Tom Van Flandern) worked out possible locations for one or more of his hypothetical (rather than fictional) planets X, and knew that he’d have to conduct his searches from the southern hemisphere.
The southern hemisphere is mostly water, and doesn’t have the number of observatories that the northern hemisphere does. In fact, Matese’ argument that comet focussing indicates a large, way-out, unknown outer planet has been criticized by at least one astronomer as having resulted from not having enough data from southern hemisphere observers.
> what is supposed to start showing up in the sky visible to amateur astronomers this summer
I guess we’ll all find out together. And when we do, Sitchin followers and heirs and assigns forever will come up with some reason that it will happen later.
ZetaTalk: Whiplash
ZetaTalk | written Apr 14, 2004 | Nancy Lieder
Posted on 12/30/2005 5:47:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1549609/posts
Nice! I went up to the local observatory about twenty-some years ago, and got to view Saturn through a Celestron C-11 (or maybe it was a C-13, I don’t recall and don’t want to try to look it up). It was obviously ringed, but it was pretty small to the eye. :’)
The image above was enlarged. However through the eyepiece the planet is much clearer, in focus, with much better surface or atmospheric and ring detail visible, as opposed to what the camera captured in that image.
Every object in our solar system has gravity that pulls on every other body. When an object travels through space one can tell by the wobbles in its path when some heavy body is pulling on it from some direction. One can use this information to calculate the mass and location of the unseen heavy body.
This is how planet X was “discovered”. Its location is so far from the sun that it must be cold, and other bodies out that far have been icy objects. (Volatile materials boil off from the inner planets and then get cold trapped by planets out far from the sun where it is colder. (Kind of like your warm breath freezing out on your window in winter.)
It is hard to see this body because it is cold, dark and far away. As to the size of it, they have to guess what it is made of and then use the guessed density to calculate the size. Its not impossible to detect, just too hard for us at the moment.
The last bit in the article about planets falling into the sun or each other is hooey. We might have asteroids hit a planet, or something come from outside our solar system to mess things up, but that is way beyond unlikely. The vast majority of objects with erratic paths crashed into planets and each other long ago so the only ones left now have pretty regular orbits that do not intersect.
More like a person who cannot see well in daylight but has great night vision.
They thought they saw it in 2005: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/29jul_planetx.htm as a freeper posted above . I was wondering if Hubble had been used to look for it yet, and could not find any reliable images. If it had been found then it is likely Hubble would have been used to image it.
Apparently the jury is still out on the whole planet x thing. At http://space.y2u.co.uk/Astronomy_Planet_X.htm there is a good discussion of Planet X. Previous observations were found to be unreliable, and gravitational data was noisy, but more recent data suggests something may be there but not easy to locate precisely.
That’s my point. “wobbles” or something like it would be “indirect” evidence. The article said that “direct or even indirect observations of this body are impossible to date”. Wouldn’t gravitational forces on neighboring bodies constitute “indirect” evidence?
Yes you are right. It would. The article was partly hooey. Especially the last paragraph of it.
Do you know what this would mean from NASA’s SOHO
taken on 3/27/09
http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/data_query_search_movie
SOHO Nasa image can be found at:
http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-b...
Select LASCO C3 and enter start and end dates 2009/03/27
scroll through images until you reach the time stamp 3:18
Sorry . . . I’m a pathetically ignorant layman about such things.
Pretty.
. . . I’m partial to blue . . .
Still quite lost on my eyes and knowledge.
Thanks.
Kinda looks like the object in the photo
Hmmmmm
Very interesting.
Curious.
Thx.
can’t pull up either page- any better link?
Try this youtube link, then follow to the directions to the left to get to the NASA Site for this......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm2kaCJvx6w
wth makes the “wings” - are they rings?
In post #30 you can see the object does look winged.
I enhanced that photo on my computer...
I just think it is kinda odd that in Summerian Culture they have a Winged globe or object Same looking Object) they knew as a traveling planet....
Is it Nibiru? I don’t know, their is so much controversy it is hard to know the truth.....
This is my issue with this....
How sure can we be that the Gov’t would actually let us know they have a unknown planet in their site....
I think within a year, if this planet does exist, we will all be able to see it with the naked eye, IMO that is when the truth will prevail on this Nibiru controversy.
I beleive its a planet of fierce warrior women who can kill you with he blink of an eye ...
I agree, we’ll know, soon
I am sensitive ot the number of “hints” that seem to be coming out
This summer will be the movie “2012” .... coincidence? The last time we had all those asteroid movies (with happy endings) was after some “concerns” about newly discovered asteroids
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/2012/
I just noticed the release date was moved from July to November 2009
Fallacy of the undistributed middle is common don’tchaknow.
Thanks TaraP.
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