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The no-kids-allowed movement is spreading
Shine via Yahoo! ^ | Wednesday, July 27, 2011 | Piper Weiss

Posted on 07/27/2011 12:00:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.


Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.

According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.

"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.

Klara points to, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.

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TOPICS: Food; Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: childrearing; children; kids; napl; parenting
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To: Slings and Arrows


61 posted on 07/27/2011 12:41:53 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: CodeToad

>>Wanna bet that little girl is one of those thugs and by the time she is 7 she will have started hitting her biological giver?<<

My husband was a good one for giving in to our oldest daughter when she was a tot. I told him that if you tell her no and then let her do what she wants, it’s a problem at 2. But at 16 she’ll be taking the car keys and crashing your ride. At that point you have no one to blame but yourself.

Little kids, little problems. Big kids, big problems.

And btw, I took over the discipline so now they are well behaved and considerate.

62 posted on 07/27/2011 12:42:51 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: married21
There are too many "snowflakes" loose in society, now. I've seen a good many "Britenys" and "Joshuas" stand there howling because they want Micky Dee's chicken, and Mumsy and Daddy shaking a finger and hissing like a leaky boiler...

It's not about being old and childless. It's about out of control snot gobblers running their parents, and the parents being terrified of trying to correct the worthless little $hits, because some Lib will have the cops with a tazer and DHS Social Workers there in 30 seconds flat. These are the same people who tear apart school playgrounds because little Monstro might scrape her knee on the swing.

This is just another result of the poison of Liberalism.

I could take my three to the 95th in Chicago, and no one knew they were in the room. But they also said, "please," "thank you," and "may I be excused?"

63 posted on 07/27/2011 12:46:16 PM PDT by jonascord (The Drug War Rapes the Constitution.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
None of my kids was ever a problem in restaurants, or in stores for that matter. I prefer social events that include the entire family. I am not one for formal dinner parties and such. I also resent screamers and loudmouths, whether adults or children in restaurants. It takes training and that is sorely lacking in this society for the last couple of generations.

Nowadays most of my socializing is among the Viet Emigré community and with them there is not a social event that does not include the whole family. The kids are well behaved and events are in places with space for the little ones to run and tussle. When it is time for dinner all are in their places and suitably well behaved.If we go to a restaurant there is no play but the kids manage to be appropriate.

My own are grown and gone and I do not resent the presence of other folks' children.

It is no problem for me that establishments make rules that exclude children, or any other groups or individuals. That is the free market which we have been truncating pretty severely for a long time now. Those places are not my personal favorites, though.

64 posted on 07/27/2011 12:47:06 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: MayflowerMadam; CodeToad; Slings and Arrows; All

65 posted on 07/27/2011 12:47:39 PM PDT by Morgana (I never said a thing.....................)
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To: Slings and Arrows

My husband and I brought our kids on many plane trips, to restaurants, theaters, etc...during their younger days (they are teenagers now).

Exposing them is the only way to teach them. But we had a very strict policy that if they began to act up we would immediately leave. We never had to but they knew we would.

My longest marathon trip was a solo AMC journey from Norfolk to the Middle East with multiple stops along the way—approximately 32 total hours traveling with layovers during which we had to get off the plane so they could fuel and resupply.

Our only nightmarish trip was one in which my 1 y/o son was ill with an ear infection and I was pregnant and suffering from morning/air sickness and actually using the barf bag and as many extras as I could find. Luckily we were at the very rear of the plane and my son’s crying (and my retching) was drowned out by engine noise. My husband won the “husband/father of the year” crown on that trip, for sure!

That said, I completely understand and respect “child free zones”, particularly as I’ve witnessed far too many “my children can do no wrong” indulgent/blind parents who don’t even pay attention to their hellion. Heck I’ve dealt with that type enough at school events and playgroups!!

66 posted on 07/27/2011 12:47:42 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Sonny M

It’s funny you say that. I live in NYC and eat in restaurants and rarely see kids. Maybe during the tourist or Christmas season but almost never the rest of the year. Maybe we go to completely different types of restaurants?

67 posted on 07/27/2011 12:49:13 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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“This is a logical conclusion for an increasingly hyperindivualistic culture devoted exclusively to pleasure and petty power.”

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

People of today are so selfish and self-centered that half of them are intolerant of others and so a disturbance in a restaurant is considered a debacle instead of just a nuisance. And the other half are so selfish and self-centered that they can’t be bothered to discipline their children!

68 posted on 07/27/2011 12:49:13 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: xsrdx

>>Immigrants and the poor don’t share the selfish “me first” perspective of the privileged and growing “child-free” culture. <<

Come on over to my area. We have immigrants of every color and creed. You know who the worst of them are? Eastern Europeans and Islamic Arabs. Their boys are golden and allowed to do what they want. Including trash places.

I’m Polish and you should see these women with their dumplings. It’s crazy. And the way the female teachers are treated by the Islamics is nuts. The Chaldean Arab boys are taught that they are no better than anyone else because of the Christianity in their homes but the Muslim boys are just nasty to women and have no respect for non-Arab property.

69 posted on 07/27/2011 12:50:07 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: All

when I was a kid (60’s and 70’s) the only places we ever went with our parents was a pizza place or a burger joint. If my parents went out, which was a rarity, they got a neighbor to watch us.
Now, going out to eat is not as special and rare and it’s the exception when we go out to see no kids around us and we go to nice restaurants as well as family style.

Given that my kids tend to have their episodes at the most inopportune times, I can totally understand a restaurant testing a “no child” business model and seeing if it works for them. Like the no-smoking restaurants before there was a mandated no smoking policy, we would seek out places that were no-smoking and my parents would seek out places that allowed smoking.
Let the market decide if this works.

70 posted on 07/27/2011 12:51:23 PM PDT by newnhdad
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To: camerongood210

I am old. When I was a child, we were never taken out to eat, except for a drive-in. I think I was 11 or so and my brother was 7 before we were taken to a restaurant. I also remember my parents referring to prime rib as *roast beef* so we wouldn’t ask to order it, too.

Shopping meant we had our hands held by a parent at all times. They picked out our clothing. We were along for sizing, only. Any shenanigans and we were unceremoniously told our next stop was back to the car if we didn’t settle down.

In March, we did our yearly dinner at a top restaurant in our area. We went early to avoid some pending weather. Across from us were 4 adults with an absolutely beautiful 2 or 3-year-old. The kid sat on the floor, playing with an iPad, ran around the set up empty tables, handled the silverware and was, all in all, a brat. Everyone at her table simply smiled at her. Next time, we eat at an adult hour.

71 posted on 07/27/2011 12:51:56 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Slings and Arrows

I don’t mind well-behaved children in restaurants either.

I don’t think it is so much that people don’t like the idea of children in restaurants as it is that people don’t like bad disruptive behavior in restaurants on the part of children whose parents think their brats can do no wrong.

I have been in restaurants where children have been allowed to behave like little animals running wild and trashing the table and their immediate surroundings so that it took one waitress a half-hour just to clean up the mess.

72 posted on 07/27/2011 12:53:05 PM PDT by Sons of Union Vets (No taxation without representation!)
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Yours is the only post I agree with the most on this thread. The only thing I would add is that the owner still keeps all private property rights and should be able to ban whom he wants. But, definitely, the adult population has become increasingly hedonistic. More adults want to play and more have more play time.

I don’t believe for a second that kids or parents have gotten worse than some golden era that never existed. My own parents and grandparents have answered this question when I’ve asked. Besides, the so called ‘bad parents’ came from that golden era where every child was disciplined perfectly and no kid stepped out of line.

The things that have changed are the number of kids per family is lower, fewer families, the mother is more likely to be working, and the concept of retirement has come into being. It’s allowed more play time for adults and less forced or voluntary interaction between adults and their children or others’ children.

73 posted on 07/27/2011 12:54:00 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: netmilsmom

I was in a Jersey Shore restaurant recently and the parents had a little kid along. The kid was normally rambuctious: standing up on the chair and occasionally misbehaving. But the parents’ overreaction to the kid was completely uncalled for. Yelling, screaming at him until my teeth rattled and my husband called for the check early, lol! So it works the other way sometimes.

74 posted on 07/27/2011 12:54:55 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Did you happen to read this bio?

About This Author
Piper Weiss, Shine Staff

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Oh, hello. I'm a Senior Features Editor at Shine. A former editor at The New York Daily News and VH1 writer, I'm partly responsible for the blog Men Who Look Like Zach Braff. And fully responsible for the blog My Mom The Style Icon -- soon to be a book published by Chronicle in 2011. Because of my clinical neuroses and spelling issues, I will be constantly changing tiny things in this bio. The doctor says that's totally normal.

She makes a perfect 'journalist' too! lol!

75 posted on 07/27/2011 12:55:25 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: CodeToad

I was in a sporting goods store once where a 5 year old had crawled into one of the display tents and was yelling “mom, mom, mom” repeatedly at the top of his lungs. I didn’t see any adults in the immediate vicinity, so when he took a breath to start yelling again, I said, “she left you.” That shut him up. He stuck his head out of the tent, looked around, and quietly said, “mom?”

76 posted on 07/27/2011 12:57:08 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thirty or forty years ago my wife and I were eating in a very expensive restaurant in Manhattan. There was a couple in there with a or 7 year-old boy. They let the kid run wild and scream “NO!” at them when they asked him to sid down.

The maître d asked them twice to control the boy to no avail. After about 20 minutes a man in a suit I assume was the owner came to the table with the boy by the hand. He asked the couple, “Is this yours?” And pointed to the boy.

The couple nodded. The man then said take him and leave. Your meal is complementary and you owe nothing for the evening. However, do not return. You’re no longer welcome here.”

The couple took the kid and left.

I thought it was the way every restaurant should handle disruptive kids.

77 posted on 07/27/2011 1:01:25 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Slings and Arrows

This is the fault of both inconsiderate, over-indulgent parents AND gutless business owners.
A considerate person wouldn’t bring their children to restaurants if they are disturbing other diners. And when it comes to inconsiderate parents, business owners should, out of consideration for their other customers, have the wuevos to confront (and if necessary) expel rude parents and their kids.
Punishing the good with the bad to avoid confronting the bad is how limp-wristed nannies and liberals deal with a problem.

78 posted on 07/27/2011 1:02:37 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: miss marmelstein

>>But the parents’ overreaction to the kid was completely uncalled for. <<

In most states, they would be arrested.

79 posted on 07/27/2011 1:02:52 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: AlmaKing
I too believe in the doctrine that a private property owner has a right to exclude whomever he pleases. Indeed, if one looks, the very definition of property includes the right to exclude others. Egalitarianism has trumped the state guarantee of property security.
80 posted on 07/27/2011 1:03:29 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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