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Atlantis: The Evidence [ Thera, Crete, the usual modern myths ]
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| January 1st, 2011
| BBC, Timewatch, Natalie Maynes, Bettany Hughes
Posted on 05/20/2012 5:46:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
I’ve always thought, considering the “Libya and Asia combined” tidbit, that if Atlantis had any basis in reality, it was from stories about early travels to the Americas.
To: fieldmarshaldj
she would be the sentimental favorite I guess. Like the “girl next door”.
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05/20/2012 7:08:27 PM PDT
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GeronL
(The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
To: GeronL
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05/20/2012 7:09:36 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: Boogieman
The other clincher in Plato is that one could leave the western side of Atlantis and get to another landmass that could truly be called a continent — the Americas.
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05/20/2012 7:11:14 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: GeronL
Alas, there never was a girl next door to me... well, one about maybe a dozen or so doors down, up a street, to the right, and up another to the left... but she was a blonde, and she moved when she was 6. Not like those hot ancient Egyptian girls.
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05/20/2012 7:11:41 PM PDT
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fieldmarshaldj
(If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
To: SunkenCiv
One of Plato’s signposts was that Atlantis was beyond the Pillars of Hercules, usually taken to mean the straits of Gibraltar. However (and I’m reaching way back in memory on this one to a book I read 30 or so years ago), there is a set of islands nearby to Greece which was also known as the Pillars of Hercules, which could fullfil Plato’s requirements without having to venture from the Mediterranean Sea. Mayhap I’ll rummage around the internet tonight and see if I can find a reference to that.
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05/20/2012 7:12:24 PM PDT
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Hootowl
To: SunkenCiv
OK. So there was some traffic between them, they must have been at least a little familiar with each other.
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05/20/2012 7:19:16 PM PDT
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GeronL
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To: SunkenCiv
The Black Sea Flood has a couple of meaningful koinkydinks ~
(1) The Sumerians seem to have recorded an object which shared the same barycenter with Earth in the same orbit ~ it came close to Earth then jumped to a similar orbit with Venus, and someday it'll jump back. THis is reflected in the Sumerian story of Gilgamesh and his ginormous playmate Inkydoo. The data dates from BEFORE writing was invented and is in special symbolic notation.
(2)The escarpment keeping the Mediterranean out of the Black Lake basin broke in the same period of time.
Now, a question, how close did this asteroid have to get to Earth to appear to be nearly the same size as the Moon? Obviously it had to be pretty close. And, pretty big. The guy at http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/4related.html tells us of an expert in astrophysical phenomenon who says it was 3 miles wide ~ the body now crossing Venus' orbit is about 200 yards wide ~ however, 7,000 years ago if it passed earth as a large bolid just at the edge of the atmosphere it would have caused a stir ~ maybe a tsunami in the Eastern Mediterranean.
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05/20/2012 7:19:57 PM PDT
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muawiyah
The Engines of Our Ingenuity by John H. Lienhard
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05/20/2012 7:23:22 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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Santorini Eruption in 1950.
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05/20/2012 7:24:26 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: Hootowl
Probably the biggest issue never addressed by the Santorini contingent is you have to reduce Plato’s time and size numbers by a factor of 10 to make the eruption work. I’m not willing to do that though many Greek archeologists are. I guess they could all get jobs with Barry’s economic team.
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05/20/2012 7:26:19 PM PDT
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redangus
To: Hootowl
Yup, there’s an imaginary Pillars of Hercules dreamed up by an author in the 1960s, who, not surprisingly, was trying to peddle the Thera-was-Atlantis idea. :’) THE Pillars of Hercules were at Gibraltar, then as now. Trying to relocate Plato’s Atlantis (his is the only surviving ancient source for the story) by reducing it in size by orders of magnitude and reducing it in age by about one order of magnitude, while arbitrarily picking a location still above water really makes no sense at all, but people continue to do it. :’)
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05/20/2012 7:29:10 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: GeronL
Apparently the Minoans were referred to as the Keftiu; Keftiu was the Egyptian version of Caphtor, which refers to Cyprus (not Crete, as is usually claimed; Crete was the Tarshish or Tharshish of the Bible), a big source of copper (or perhaps a transship point) which was shipped in the form of “oxhides”, ingots with two limb-like handles on each end.
After the Mycenaeans took over in most of the Aegean, and expanded settlement in Anatolia, they similarly took over in Cyprus, and spread westward into Sicily. The Etruscans (among others) had already colonized in Italy and other points west in the Med, but carried along their cultural traces, as well as DNA, from the Aegean. The Ionian Greeks were most closely associated with the Etruscans in trade.
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05/20/2012 7:36:21 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: redangus
/bingo
It’s also amazing how often the Theran stuff is repeated as if it were an original idea.
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05/20/2012 7:37:26 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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"Even when, during the respective Thera Conferences, individual scientists had pointed out that the magnitude and significance of the Thera eruption must be estimated as less than previously thought, the conferences acted to strengthen the original hypothesis. The individual experts believed that the arguments advanced by their colleagues were sound, and that the facts of a natural catastrophe were not in doubt... All three factors reflect a fantasy world rather than cool detachment, which is why it so difficult to refute the theory with rational arguments." -- Eberhard Zangger, "The Future of the Past: Archaeology in the 21st Century", pp 49-50.
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05/20/2012 7:42:15 PM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
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05/20/2012 8:13:51 PM PDT
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Beowulf9
To: SunkenCiv
Akallabêth (In the Elvish tongue of Quenya, "Atalantë" means "Downfallen")is the story of the destruction of the Kingdom of Númenor.
The complete true story of what is now called Atlantis is on YouTube. The Great Deceiver was instrumental in it's destruction.
To: SunkenCiv
Actually they found it off Spain recently.
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05/20/2012 9:01:09 PM PDT
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Secret Agent Man
(I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
To: Secret Agent Man
The submerged area known as Spartel island would fit as the eastern reaches of Plato's Atlantis. OTOH, that non-submerged area in southern Spain speculated about a few years ago would not. Wow, this is a longer keyword listing than I'd anticipated:
- Atlantis: The Evidence [ Thera, Crete, the usual modern myths ]
- Earliest Directly-Dated Human Skull-Cups [ 14,700 BP ]
- Pavlopetri: A window on to Bronze Age suburban life (impressive CGI images)
- Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin goes in search for Russia's Atlantis
- Lost City of Atlantis found - again - this time in Guatemala
- Lost city of Atlantis, swamped by tsunami, may be found
- Has a University of Hartford Professor Found the Lost City of Atlantis?[Spain]
- Google Ocean: Has Atlantis been found off Africa?
- Scientists find sunken islands in the Caribbean (Atlantis?)
- 'Fried Egg' may be impact crater
- Atlantis Discovered? Archaeologists Reveal Images of Caribbean Civilization (video report)
- Previously undiscovered ancient city found on Caribbean sea floor
- Real Tsunami May Have Inspired Legend of Atlantis
- UNDERWORLD - Graham Hancock
- Exploration of the Bimini Underwater Rectangles Yields Stunning Finds (Art Bell history)
- Discovered: A sunken island, an Indian Ocean Atlantis?
- Google Explains Watery Mystery of 'Atlantis'
- Is this Atlantis?
- Thera eruption in 1613 BC
- Lost City pumps life-essential chemicals at rates unseen at typical black smokers
- Underwater City Could Be Revealed (UK)
- 'Asian Atlantis' discovered[Japan]
- Greece Is The Word For Volcanoes (Thera)
- The wave that destroyed Atlantis [Destroyed by a giant tsunami?]
- Earth's Crust Missing In Mid-Atlantic
- Santorini Eruption Much larger Than Originally Believed
- Divers Begin Search For Underwater 'Atlantis' (China)
- Bosnian Pyramids: Absence Of Evidence Is Not Evidence Of Atlantis
- The Bosnia-Atlantis Connection
- Salvaging sunken treasure takes precedence over human life in Cuba
- Rocks add weight to Atlantis debate
- Seafloor survey buoys Atlantis claim: Earthquake debris shores up evidence for lost city
- Update on the Underwater City off the Coast of Cuba.
- Scientists Interrupt Search for the “Mayan Atlantis" in the Caribbean.
- Recent News! They discover proof that Atlantis did not submerge complete but only one part...
- Archaeologist Roots Out Historical Hooey
- Spanish investigators have discovered Atlantis's archaeological evidences...
- German Physicist Disputes Atlantis Discovery Claim By American
- American Claims Discovery of Atlantis/Reports Point to Proof of Global Warming (sci-news)
- Lost Atlantis 'found near Cyprus'
- Atlantis Hunt Reveals Structures In Sea Off Cyprus
- Where Was Atlantis? Sundaland Fits The Bill, Surely!
- Ireland is the Lost Island of Atlantis.
- Ireland Is Lost Island of Atlantis, Says Scientist
- Ireland Is Lost Island of Atlantis, Says Scientist
- Archaeologists to seek Kyrgyz Atlantis
- New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
- Archaeoloogists To Seek Kyrgyz Atlantis
- The Oldest Americans May Prove Even Older
- Satellite Images 'Show Atlantis'
- The Holy Grail Of Archaeology (Another Search For Atlantis)
- Northern sea baffles archaeologists
- Scientists Discover Lost World (8,000 Years Old)
- The Flim Flam Artist(Charles Berlitz)
- Stone Age Sites Found Under North Sea (8,000BC)
- Submerged City May Be Older Than Mesopotamia
- Will We Ever Find Atlantis?
- Plato Treasure Map Leads Atlantis Hunter to Cyprus
- The Atlantis between Spain and Morocco. The Expedition Revealing discoveries.
- Explorers on the trail of Lost City of Atlantis
- Researcher says he's found sunken site of Atlantis
- The Search For Atlantis 'Ends At Ayia Napa' (Cyprus)
- In Cuban Depths, Atlantis or Anomaly?Images of Massive Stones!
- NASA digital images discover ancient "Ramayana" bridge between India, Lanka
- Malta and Bimini (The Learning Channel)
- In the Footsteps of Heyerdahl
- Decoding DISCOVERY from the much-elusive Indus Valley script!
- Vostok: The Lake of Shadows
- New Finds Worldwide Support Flood Myths
- U.S. Denies Spectacular Ruins in Antarctica Captured on Video
- Probe Into Cuba's Possible *Sunken City* Advances
- Search For "Lost" Atlantis Centers On Strait Of Gibraltar
- Evidence of ancient city found in depths off Cuba (best article yet)
- Explorers View 'Lost City' Ruins Under Caribbean
- Update on Underwater Megalithic
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SunkenCiv
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