The Maine Secession Movement is now actively inviting

The Maine Secession Movement is now actively inviting Born Again Christians to move to Maine from other states.

As the secession vote on June 12, 2018 moves ever closer, the Maine secession Movement is now actively encouraging Born Again Christian families in other states to put their property and business up for sale and move to Maine. This is being done in advance of the next release of the proposed Constitution for the Republic of Maine which will take effect immediately upon a successful vote for secession on June 12, 2018. This next release will include a section detailing how the entire border of Maine with both Canada and the United States, must be secured by Militia members and their families, resulting in nearly every square foot of land on the border being deeded over to members of the Militia who will live on the border, these parcels will range in size between 500 acres and 1500 areas.

A second reason is that we believe that as more and more, who will vote for secession, will move into Maine while more and more, who oppose secession, will start selling out and moving to other states where big government will remain. As an example, since education is reserved to the family first and then the local community with the State and the Counties explicitly denied any roll in education, we would expect that many NEA members will leave, all of the MEA staff will have no roll and will need to either leave or find gainful emplyment. Since welfare is non existent and is explicitly denied to any and all governments, but reserved to the churches and societies, we can think of no reason anyone currently on welfare will want to stay in Maine nor will there be any state positions for anyone now working in any of the welfare offices or bureaus.

To help Born Again Christians make their decision, below is the parts of the proposed Constitution that are now done. For additional information or help in locating property in Maine, please email freemaine at hushmail.com with "relocation" in the subject line.

Proposed Constitution of the Republic of Maine

PREAMBLE. We the people of the Republic of Maine, in order to establish justice, insure tranquility, provide for our mutual defense, promote our common welfare, and secure to ourselves and our posterity the blessings of liberty, acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity, so favorable to the design; and, imploring God's aid and direction in its accomplishment, do this twelfth day of June, in the year of our Lord 2018, by majority of the people voting do agree to form ourselves from henceforth into a free and independent Christian Nation, by the style and title of the Republic of Maine and do ordain and establish the following Constitution for the government of the same.

Section 1. Natural rights. All people are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent and unalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and of pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness.

Section 2. Power inherent in people. All power is inherent in the people; all free governments are founded in their authority and instituted for their benefit; they have therefore an unalienable and indefeasible right to institute government, and to alter, reform, or totally change the same, when their safety and happiness require it.

Section 3. Religious freedom; all Christian sects are equal; religious tests prohibited; religious teachers. All individuals have a natural and unalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences, and no person shall be hurt, molested or restrained in that person's liberty or estate for worshiping God in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of that person's own conscience, nor for that person's religious professions or sentiments, provided that, that person does not disturb the public peace, nor obstruct others in their religious worship; all persons demeaning themselves peaceably, as good members of the State, shall be equally under the protection of the laws, and no subordination nor preference of any one Christian sect or Christian denomination to another shall ever be established by law, nor shall any religious test be required as a qualification for any office or trust, under this State; and all religious societies in this State, whether incorporated or unincorporated, shall at all times have the exclusive right of electing their public teachers, and contracting with them for their support and maintenance. Christian leaders, pastors and teachers are encouraged to keep their charges, congregations, students, etc informed of what the government is doing from the pulpit, in private and public conversations, debates or conversation in general. No law is to be passed that limits the rights of Christian participation, leadership, or criticism of the government of Maine, the counties, or the local municipalities. All public meetings are to open with the Lords prayer and close with a Christian benediction thanking the Lord for the preceding and imploring His safety for all leaving the meeting.

Section 3a. Business closed on Sunday. Since it would not be possible for the Republic of Maine to secede and be free without the will and Divine help of the Lord God of Creation, and since the Lord God of Creation clearly states that in six days He created the heavens and the earth and all that is them and on them, and that He rested on the seventh day, the people of the Republic of Maine shall, as a Christian nation, in deep and abiding gratitude to God Almighty, the Trinity, the Creator, allow no businesses any where within the borders of the Republic of Maine, other than those exempted in section 3b, to open on the Sundays from midnight to midnight.

Section 3b. Businesses exempt from Section 3a. Since God in the form of the Lord Jesus, did on numerous occasions in the New Testament, heal on the Sabbath day, we therefore declare that those businesses that are necessary for human life, such as hospitals, pharmacies, and doctors offices may be open on Sundays, but only to offer services and products necessary for human life, products that could not wait till Monday. The Legislature, shall after notifying and consulting with Christian pastors, determine a list of businesses that shall be allowed to open on Sunday in a strictly voluntary manner. No public celebrations, games, or parties shall be allowed on the Sabbath and may not be exempted.

Section 4. Freedom of speech and publication; libel; truth given in evidence; jury determines law and fact. Every citizen may freely speak, write and publish sentiments on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of this liberty; no laws shall be passed regulating or restraining the freedom of the press; and in prosecutions for any publication respecting the official conduct of people in public capacity, or the qualifications of those who are candidates for the suffrages of the people, or where the matter published is proper for public information, the truth thereof may be given in evidence, and in all indictments for libels, the jury, after having received the direction of the court, shall have a right to determine, at their discretion, the law and the fact.

Section 5. Unreasonable searches prohibited. The people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers and possessions from all unreasonable searches and seizures; and no warrant to search any place, or seize any person or thing, shall issue without a special designation of the place to be searched, and the person or thing to be seized, nor without probable cause -- supported by oath or affirmation.

Section 6. The Militia and the standing army of 1,000. So as to insure and guarantee the rights guaranteed in this Constitution, every natural born male in the Republic of Maine, upon reaching the age of 18 years from conception through age 67 years from conception, has, as a member of the Militia, the obligation to keep and bear arms for the common defense, for his and his families protection, to defend against this government or any government in the future from becoming oppressive, tyrannical, or in any other way obnoxious to freedom, and to secure the rights written in this Constitution. This obligation shall never be questioned. No law shall be passed that restricts this obligation, except for time in a local jail, county jail or Maine Republic prison. No law shall be passed, test given, or fee assessed to any citizen of the Republic of Maine that would restrict in any way that citizens right to be armed either concealed or open. Males who are found to be or confess to being homosexuals are exempted from serving in either the Militia or the standing army. Males over the age of 65 may be voluntary members of the militia with the full rights of Militia members. Natural born males between the age of 16 years from conception to 18 years from conception may volunteer for militia service with the written permission of parents or guardians. The standing army of 1,000 shall be drawn from the militia by the commander of the Militia and is under the command of the commander of the militia who is appointed by and reports directly to the President.

Section 7. All human life is precious and a gift from God. Age is counted from the moment life begins, which is at the moment of conception and as such, all human life is protected from conception to death and has the full rights of this Constitution from conception. Any citizen of the Republic of Maine may use what ever force he or she deems necessary to protect human life. All abortions are considered first degree premeditated murder, children are entrusted, by God the Creator to that child's parents and as such are the responsibility of the parents, not the state, no level of Government whether local, county or Republic is to, in any way, over rule a parent in the rearing, educating, and/or influencing that child in any way.

Section 7a. Education. All education is left to the local community, to the parents first and foremost and then to the city, town or community in which the family resides. The counties and the Republic are explicitly denied any role in a child's education with the exception of Militia members while on duty and prisoners while in the care of the county jail or prison of the Republic. The first and foremost responsibility to teach a child Religion, obedience, patriotism, loyalty, righteousness, and to be a productive member of society rest squarely upon the shoulders of the parent(s), the local communities role is to support and reinforce that parental responsibility.

"About 150 years ago there was a bit if a kerfuffle that seems to have settled whether a state can just walk out of the Union without approval from the other states. Regardless of what your state constitution may say."

What gave Lincoln that perceived authority was the attack on fort Sumner, we are nto talking about attacking anything, we are talking about a vote of the people to secede from the Union in accordance with our existing Constitution.

"So the first act of this new government is to steal the perimeter land from the rightful owners and give it to your buddies. Such fine Christian leadership! "

Nope, most of the land is owned by the state of Maine or some other govt entity. That land is what will be given away, the land in private ownership is where it will stay, land should not be owned by govt.

Unless your actions are legal under the U.S. Constitution then it doesn't matter what your constitution says. And under the Constitution you just can't walk out.

"All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States." - Texas v White, 1868

Again, you miss the core point.

It does not matter what Maine's Constitution says.

Why?

Because everything it says is ultimately subject to federal review.

What actually matters is what the US Constitution says.

Any luck on those statistics regarding the 300,000 new immigrants you'll need?

Also, any word on how your private army of 12,000 poll enforcers will be able to violate federal law on June 12, 2018 with impunity?

Or how your referendum will make it onto the ballot in the first place?

"Again, you miss the core point. It does not matter what Maine's Constitution says. Why? Because everything it says is ultimately subject to federal review."

Once again you do err, when the US accepted Maine as a state, in 1820, it accepted Maine with it's 1820 Constitution. Now there are some in the State Legislature that would like to amend both the preamble and A 1 sect 1&2, but that would take more than four years and it is only four years till the secession vote.

Look if you don't want to come to Maine and be free, that's fine, but quit trying to dissuade others who might like to be free. Like so many big govt reliant, you just keep beating and hoping to prevail with no facts or basis for fact on your side. We have been at this since 1985, do you really think you are coming up with anything new? Can you really be that vain?

No reading comprehension; no knowledge of history, either.

You are so wrong on so many levels.

Try reading this:

Article 4
All civil, penal financial, economic, administrative, cultural, military, political, and other laws and regulations must be based on Christian criteria. This principle applies absolutely and generally to all articles of the Constitution as well as to all other laws and regulations...

Sound good to you? Sounds a lot like what you propose:
PREAMBLE. We the people of the Republic of Maine, in order to establish justice, insure tranquility, provide for our mutual defense, promote our common welfare, and secure to ourselves and our posterity the blessings of liberty, acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity, so favorable to the design; and, imploring God's aid and direction in its accomplishment, ... form ourselves from henceforth into a free and independent Christian Nation, by the style and title of the Republic of Maine and do ordain and establish the following Constitution for the government of the same.

I quoted the constitution of Iran, and I changed only one word. Maybe you can apply your massive intellect to figure out which one. You want to establish the same sort of tyranny. Just a different religion in charge.

What you need to do is back away from the computer and the topic, and examine why you are so deeply threatened and enraged by what is on my part a dry abstract intellectual discussion of how the proposed scheme could possibly work, even though it doesn't apply to me personally and I would be extremely unlikely to move there even in the .00009% chance that it could succeed; which I have already conceded upthread that it could happen when pigs fly.

You need to ask yourself why you are taking something so very personally that has not occured, that you would not be forced to participate in if it did occur, and would not affect your life in any way unless you are a signicant landowner in Maine. Because otherwise, you're taking the entire thing as a assault on you personally, when it is to me simply an abstract brainstorming about what the possibilities and pitfalls would be in trying to do such a thing, and what the principles are that are parallel or contrasting to the US Constitution. Creative people do this sort of discussion all the time before they develop a prototype. It's a relatively quite harmless activity. No need to get excited.

Because of your screen name, I took the time to try to clarify the issues in an attempt to relieve your concerns; because if you are a landowner in Maine, your concerns are .00009% warranted. But if in fact you are not a father, or if you have five babymamas, I've truly wasted my time. So farewell, and God bless you.

A lot of spirited discussion on this thread but my contribution is this:

It is so cold up there in northern Maine. Just so, so cold. Even tonight, at the tail end of May, temperatures will be in the mid-30s tonight.

I write this about 400 miles to the south in northern Massachusetts where it has yet to reach 80 degrees this year (we have a chance this afternoon, if only the sun will come out). Where is all this "global warming" everybody speaks of?

If we are going to have a revolution, please let's make it a place where it will be warm.

(1) What Maine's constitution says is irrelevant to the point at issue - what it said at the time of statehood or what it says today has no impact on the authority of the federal government to review that state constitution or anything enacted under it.

(2) Maine's constitution guarantees the right of Maine's citizens to alter the structure of their state government. It nowhere mentions any authority for Maine to secede from the Union. Treason is nowhere contemplated in the document.

(3) Even if treason were contemplated in the Maine constitution, its subordination to federal review would remain operative.

You are making the argument that the Maine constitution's provision for government reform can be interpreted as permitting secession from the Union. It cannot. Even if this flawed interpretation were to be pressed by Maine's judiciary, it would be rejected in federal court.

You are further arguing that Maine can unilaterally declare secession from the Union without review by the federal government. It cannot, by the plain words of the US Constitution. You are likely unaware of this, but Maine is a pure federal creation: it was formed out of Massachusetts for the express purpose of strengthening federal policy. So, whether one goes by original intent, or strict construction, or a positivist interpretation of both Maine and federal law, no act of secession by Maine can prevail.

And I don't think I'm coming up with anything new. Far from it. All this information is well known to any student of federal law.

Also, what you are proposing is not freedom - you are proposing a theocracy enforced by roaming bands of self-appointed roughnecks.

A milder version of Sabbath Law was in operation in Maine on my short memory; it was voted down in about 1990. Prior to that, the the stores were closed on Sunday, except perhaps pharmacies, and everybody survived probably better than they do now.

I am sure the transportation industry will be working at least enough to support external transport links. I do not see closing down airports and seaports a realistic proposition. But with reasonable exemptions, Sabbath laws are a good and practical thing.

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I like this proposition in principle. It amazes me that what is clearly a restoration of the founding principles of every American state 250 years ago would be today sneered at as "taliban".

I am concerned with the "born-again" focus as it needlessly divides Christendom. I am Catholic; for me and for all Orthodox I know, some of them in Maine, and for many Protestants of mainline denominations, "born-again" means "baptized", and often, as a baby. Obviously, this definition of born-again won't be welcome in this Republic. And why? I do not intend a religious argument; I am merely questioning the wisdom of uninviting a large body of trinitarian Bible-believing Christians, who -- as French-descent largely Catholic Mainers -- are often native to the state and would support the principles of self-government, public religion and pro-life convictions of the proposed document?

how "You cannot shop on Sunday" is different from "You must wear a burka"

Easily. The former is a form of social organization involving not only shoppers but also the sales force and the store owners. It is then in the domain of government. What to wear is personal behavior, generally not in the domain of government.

But then you make a leap to "taliban". Taliban means shooting people in soccer stadiums for minor or imaginary transgressions of Sharia law. Burka is just a local traditional dress, locally understood to be a modest way to dress. In most locales in the US it is against the law to go naked. Are these laws also "taliban"?

"If we are going to have a revolution, please let's make it a place where it will be warm. "

we are not revolting, we are exercising our Constitutional right s to secede from the Union. The only violence we expect is from some minority groups in Maine who would rather burn down their apartments than just leave and apply for welfare in Massachusetts.

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