Posted on 09/17/2014 4:36:52 PM PDT by Kansas58
A very disturbing number of Freepers are openly advocating, on Free Republic threads, for the defeat of Senator Pat Roberts and other good Conservative Republicans. Greg Orman, in Kansas, is a pro abortion, anti gun, tax and spend Liberal Democrat who has given tens of thousands of dollars to Obama and Pelosi and the Democrat Party and Harry Reid. I am called an "idiot" for supporting Roberts. However, I think that those on Free Republic who support Harry Reid and Greg Orman should be ZOTTED, kicked off the site. I have had enough of there hate filled, vindictive, misguided trash.
I love your name too. I wouldn’t say you are old, but you are definitely a lady and one of my favorite ladies.
They say a true gentlelady is a woman who makes everyone around her feel comfortable regardless of social class or status. That fits you perfectly. You have such a welcoming nature.
Can’t wait to hug your neck in October.
Thank you, my friend. Feeling’s mutual.
I don’t even know what to say. How on earth did that conversation get to that point? There is no need for such division. We’re supposed to be on the same team.
“I absolutely would not mind sitting around a nice,
burning, glowing troll with you two for a long evening’s chat”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwxUgefMStM
Thank you for a gracious and anecdotal response.
I found it to be VERY interesting of the catagories you mentioned that you peruse and recall how each one actually applies to the specifics of some or another zottee and his PRE-zot posturing! Very FUNNY!
Seriously, you have mastered parody and it warms the belly with laughter. Thanks. Rita %:D
The bad news is that Kansas58 is a chronic critic of the late Nellie Gray (who created and ran the Annual March dor Life in DC until her relatively recent death) and of Judie Brown and her American Life League. Kansas58's expressed reservations were that Judie Brown and Nellie Gray opposed certain proposed pieces of mild pro-life legislation because no abortion can be approved by a pro-lifer any more than any abortion would be approved by Jesus Christ. The legislation in question was enacted with the support of the National Right to Life Committee and Kansas58 is an uncritical cheerleader for the generally soft and ineffective line advocated by NRLC. Kansas58 is probably better than NRLC but that isn't hard to be.
My own reaction to all this is complicated. I despise the so-called National Right to Life Committee as phonies and frauds. Their interests consist of fundraising, shooting their mouths off ineffectively at press conferences, fundraising, keeping the Right to Life movement tame and inoffensive and seeing that it poses no real threat to the pro-abort status quo, fundraising, and trying to monopolize and homogenize from DC local actual right to life groups which they do not begin to understand and fundraising.
If NRLC closed its doors permanently tomorrow, that would be a significant boost for the pro-life movement.
But, hey, maybe I misdiagnose the situation and the NRLC does as well. The existence of serious and militant pro-life groups like Operation Rescue and Pro-Life Action Network and American Life League and similar groups constitutes a serious embarrassment to the pacifist weenies at NRLC who NEVER get anything done that I have seen. There is nothing NRLC can do to eradicate people who are deadly serious about ending abortion as hard as they may try.
If NRLC has a head and uses it, it would approach its pro-abort pals (the ones it seeks "common ground" with while never mentioning THAT in its endless stream of fundraising letters) and use an old tactic that used to work very well for Martin Luther King, Jr.: tell the pro-aborts that it would be best to give NRLC whatever smidgeon of policy it seeks because, OTHERWISE, they would have to deal with Judie Brown or Operation Rescue or Pro-Life Action Network types.
I know that the foregoing does not sound very nuanced or complicated. Here are both. I actually prefer a wisely waged campaign of principled partial victories if I cannot have total victory today. Parental consent and parental notification, laws requiring the identification of the father of a minor girl's unborn child, banning abortion in the third trimester and counting, second trimester, second half of first trimester, at any time after eight minutes since conception, banning it altogether, banning "morning after" pill abortifacients, IUDs which are abortifacients, etc., etc. With each partial victory, you remind the pro-aborts that you are coming back relentlessly like the abolitionists did until abortion is no more. The strategy of chipping away works but not if you EVER suggest that the latest chip will suffice. That is both ineffective and dishonest for anyone who IS a pro-lifer.
Now, I believe that each life saved from abortion by legislation, by occupation of the mill and de-sterilizing the suction machines and instruments or by whatever means necessary is a life worth saving and can be a life worth living. Planned Barrenhood's research foundation, the Alan Guttmacher Foundation, conceded that 1 out of 3 abortions scheduled for "Rescue Days" never thereafter occurred. So 75 people, let's say, get arrested invading the clinic and putting it out of business for a couple of weeks and spend, let's say, ten days each in jail pre-trial before the court system grows up and dismisses the charges. Let us say that 36 abortions were scheduled just for Rescue Day. 12 kids get to live an average of 75 years each (900 years total) in exchange for 75 people giving up ten days each (a total of a little over 2 years).
That is an economic solution and for the Rescuers: That's Entertainment! and for the jailers, the court personnel, the reporters, and others: That's Education! Any one Rescue did more than 41 years of National Right to Life Committee mealy-mouthing.
The folks at National Right to Life Committee seem to behave as though their highest ambition is a retirement party when each will receive a fifty-year pin and a gold watch when they turn their jobs over to similarly feckless and ineffective pacifistic leaders who also hope for long careers not offending the enemy or the Enemy.
I conceded to Kansas58 that his arguments on Pat Roberts' behalf had changed me from a Wolf supporter to a Roberts supporter. I don't live in Kansas nor do most of us. OTOH, those who preferred Wolf were no more pro-Orman or pro-Harry Reid than those of us who refused our votes to an evil Romney and to an evil Obozo were therefore somehow pro-Obozo.
Voting for or even electing either Obozo OR Myth Romney helps the Demonrats. There ain't a dime's worth of difference on any issue that matters: i.e. NOT trivia like the protection of Muffie's trust fund. What guaranteed conservatives staying home was the nomination of Myth Romney. If the GOP wants our votes it should nominate candidates WORTH VOTING FOR in their own right. Our candidate may be a miserable excuse for a human being much less for a Republican and still less for a conservative but HE'S NOT OBOZO! just does not cut it any more. If you can bring yourself to vote for a Romney, then increasingly you will have to get used to the fact that you will have less and less company in doing so. The Republican delegates guaranteed Obozo's victory by nominating Myth Romney. That's it! Will they play it any smarter in 2016? Can you say "Madame President" if they don't?
Finally the nomination and, God forbid!, the election as a Republican of Myth Romney or any trash like him would mean:
1) An automatic loss in the next election to an even worse Demonrat because Romney does not know how to play the political game. He is a dunce and an airhead when it comes to politics.
2) The elimination of the pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-sexual normalcy, 2nd Amendment, resistance to envirowhackoism, and many other issues during the twenty years it would take to destroy the GOP and replace it with an actually conservative party. God probably lacks the patience to sit still for the results on the ground in the USA during 20 years of unrestrained Sodom and Gomorrah. It is presumptuous to assume that God will postpone His justice that long. Thomas Jefferson, as a Deist, was a vague sort of believer but even he said something to the effect: I tremble for my country when I consider that God is just. If he were alive today, that tremble would be an earthquake measuring about 12 on the Richter scale.
Meh. No worries. Looks like he was itchin for it. Not my business, remember? ;)
The lead singer looks like your friend of the fish, hamburger, and venison grilling persuasion.
It has been a while since I watched that video. It’s cool.
You’ve previously cited an April 2006 NPR article that quoted then Assistant Chief of Border Patrol, San Diego sector Jim Henry as saying that “apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double — and in some places, triple — fencing.”
But as you can see from the BP apprehension data in the table I posted up-thread, Mr. Henry’s figures are just not true. There were 142,104 apprehensions in the San Diego sector in 2006, the year he was quoted. He was off by about 135,000 from the 5000 he claimed. There were 18,361 apprehensions in the SD sector in the month of March 2006 alone and 14,736 in April.
Here’s an excerpt from an August 2014 NPR article:
“Fencing is not the end all, be all,” says the Border Patrol’s Robert Duff. “I started my career in San Diego and saw them construct the initial fence, and then two and three layers of fencing. They’ll go over it, they’ll go under it, they’ll go through it. A fence does not seal the border. It helps, but it’s not the solution.”
Just as important, Duff says, are agents on the ground, aircraft, boats, lights, cameras and other tactical equipment.
Perhaps expectations were too high. Perhaps people thought the wall was supposed to stop illegal traffic.
“They built an 18-foot wall, and people came with a 19-foot ladder and people just crossed right over the top. So I think a fence can only be so tall,” says Chris Cabrera, local spokesman for the National Border Patrol Council, the agents’ union.
You’ve been given factual apprehension and staffing numbers directly from Border Patrol. What will you do with them? Note that I did not attack your character or question your motivations while I refuted your claims.
I have girls say that to me, and my response is always the same: I sidle in a little closer, and tell 'em, "I'm lookin' for a reason to commit suicide, darlin'...."
Hasn't worked so far, but I keep trying. :)
Shove it A-HOLE! Your an idiot.
He’s gone.
BTTT. Thank You! My senitments exactly.
You’re retarded.
What are you? Five? Go away newbie liberal Troll.
Noticed that after I posted. Thanks.
You’re quite welcome.
“In short, Norm, the attribution of apprehension reductions in San Diego to the double pedestrian fencing is a myth.”
Except the guy in charge of the fence said in numerous articles reported by media and blogs alike that isn’t a myth and is in fact highly effective. And he provided official numbers not taken from LaRaza supporting sites. All of which are searchable and available at a mouse click. And were shown to you some time ago.
So should America believe him and the actual Border Patrol agents that supported his statements or someone claiming he spreads myth? I think that also addresses the cred thing. If you want to continue denying reality and spreading misinformation, I can only hope people search the facts themselves and draw their own conclusions.
In full agreement here. I've never had the pleasure of meeting her, but just talking with her online has shown me how sweet and dear she is.
She's tough, too (in the best sense of the word).
Indeed, Mr. Henry provided numbers, but they did not match the official numbers reported by the BP San Diego sector for whom he worked. Henry's numbers were substantially incorrect according to the published BP apprehension data. I detailed those numbers for you in post #849.
So should America believe him and the actual Border Patrol agents that supported his statements or someone claiming he spreads myth?
America should believe the Border Patrol officers who refute Henry's erroneous figures and claims. I cited those officers' statements for you also in post #849. This has nothing to do with me. The numbers are directly from BP. You can either refute them or you can't. It's pretty straightforward.
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