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Was JFK the last REAL president?
FR ^ | Nov 22 | RandFan

Posted on 11/22/2023 7:47:07 PM PST by RandFan

Alex Jones often says he was the last REAL president in the sense that they could (back then) actually run things, make decisions/appointments, decide policy etc.

Since that fateful day his thesis is that all the presidents have been puppets. Every one of them with the possible exception of Trump who they used impeachment (twice!) / conviction to keep in line.

Is there any truth to this do you think?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; History
KEYWORDS: 00001hellno; 0001stolenpresidency; alexjones; anotherstupidvanity; jfk; vanity; worstopusever
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To: Captain Peter Blood
In all honesty the last real President was Calvin Coolidge end of story!

Indeed! Calvin, my cat, is named after him because he, like Coolidge, has blue eyes.

41 posted on 11/22/2023 8:25:40 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: RandFan
In a strange paradox, the US Congress, over the decades, has weakened the presidency by the granting the executive branch more powers.

Abraham Lincoln only had to deal with seven secretaries in his cabinet. Trump had 15 secretaries, three directors, two administrators, and one trade representative in his cabinet.

So on paper it seems like the president has gained more power, but in fact, it is the permanent government bureaucracy (deep state) which has increased power and regularly exercises this power by limiting executive decisions.

Eventually, this structure will have to be overturned. A sclerotic bureaucracy that is primarily concerned with its own survival and interests cannot respond to the needs of the citizens and a quickly-changing world.
42 posted on 11/22/2023 8:25:47 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: RandFan
Trump made some bizarre appointments i.e Barr etc. which any lucid person would not make. He was told to appoint them.

By whom?

43 posted on 11/22/2023 8:27:12 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: dadfly

I can’t believe you missed it !

Amazing coincidence re: mentioning Cal because I started a thread asking about him just the other day.

It was the election of Milei in Argentina that got me thinking...

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4198052/posts


44 posted on 11/22/2023 8:28:41 PM PST by RandFan
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Trump 2.0 I think we can agree is the biggest threat to the deep state they have ever had.

If you believe the rhetoric...

I’ve never heard a would-be (soon to be!) president speak like him before ?

If Trump fulfills those promises it will be consequential


45 posted on 11/22/2023 8:32:30 PM PST by RandFan
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

JFK also emptied the mental hospitals which eventually became the American homeless.

He unionized federal employees.

Signed the first affirmative action law.

He ran on chain migration and tried to pass his immigration dream which eventually passed as his 1965 Immigration bill.

The President’s Commission on the Status of Women endorsed workplace equality, child care facilities for working women, paid maternity leave, better Social Security benefits for widows, and equal pay for comparable work.

The War on Poverty (an idea he had rolled out during the campaign) sought to alleviate penury, especially among the elderly, by pushing for Medicare and expanded Social Security benefits.

He used federal troops to ensure the enrollment of black students at the universities of Mississippi and Alabama; his administration implemented the first “affirmative action” program for government employees and contractors.

He sent over 16,000 troops to Vietnam.

Had his teenage girlfriend fellate his friend at the White House.

Kennedy endorsed the United Nations as “our last best hope,”

He withdrew for the Cuban rebels the sufficient air cover they needed at the Bay of Pigs.


46 posted on 11/22/2023 8:32:34 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Fiji Hill

Whoever pulls the strings or do you really think he wanted Barr or the many other crumby appointments


47 posted on 11/22/2023 8:33:18 PM PST by RandFan
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To: Nervous Tick

Bush I was indeed one of the worst presidents in American history, followed closely by his gope, controlled-opposition, uniparty son.

imho, he just didn’t have enough time to blunt RR’s economic and geo-political momentum for us, as Perot (and Clinton), thank God, did him in before he could really get going.

unfortunately, he did do a lot political damage to America, effectively reversing the political changes in the GOPe started by RR and his movement. imo, that was the real damage done to us by Bush I.


48 posted on 11/22/2023 8:35:37 PM PST by dadfly ( )
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To: RandFan

I wasn’t saying that the control issue was hogwash...

I was just saying that JFK, etc. was no different than every President (good or bad) since T.R.

They get to that office having made many deals with bad people... Either, or both, corrupt thieves and communists...

Certainly since the 90-years that I have been alive...


49 posted on 11/22/2023 8:38:41 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: dadfly

Agree.

Not a coincidence that George H. W. was CIA director — in the US, the ultimate post for an elitist who believes his birthright is to be a law unto himself.

What is it Chuckie Schumer says? “The intelligence community can get you six ways from Sunday...”


50 posted on 11/22/2023 8:41:44 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: RandFan

“I’ve never heard a would-be (soon to be!) president speak like him before ?

If Trump fulfills those promises it will be consequential”

I agree 100%.

I think he’ll go scorched earth, starting by releasing all on the Epstein Island visitor list.

I think he’s using this strong language so he can have a mandate when he goes in there. Nobody can accuse him of bait and switch.


51 posted on 11/22/2023 8:45:01 PM PST by MNDude
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To: RandFan

You forget outsourcing, offshoring, Amnesty, 1986 Gun control... and appointing Bush as VP.


52 posted on 11/22/2023 8:47:19 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: dadfly

“...the Great RR. and he was definitely a real president. “


If that was so he wouldn’t have taken Bush as VP.


53 posted on 11/22/2023 8:48:45 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Nervous Tick

yes. they’ve been in the driver seat for a long time. sadly, i was clueless about the deep-state and our corrupt gov’t/political/judicial system for most of my life.

they’ve probably been in control since very soon after Ike created them. certainly they seemed to have young JFK on a string. just look at the bay of pigs and the diem fiasco they manipulated him into. he really was reacting a lot. and then of course they arranged for his demise too.


54 posted on 11/22/2023 8:50:06 PM PST by dadfly ( )
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To: Reverend Wright

come on dude. you can’t be that dim about the GOPe. what decade were you born?


55 posted on 11/22/2023 8:52:42 PM PST by dadfly ( )
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To: RandFan

True. He was still more independent thinking than other recent candidates/presidents.


56 posted on 11/22/2023 8:53:19 PM PST by madison10 (He watching over Israel slumbers not, nor sleeps.)
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To: dadfly

Old enough to know even in 1980 that “moderate” Bush (as they were referred to then) was not a real conservative.


57 posted on 11/22/2023 8:59:10 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: dadfly

>> sadly, i was clueless about the deep-state and our corrupt gov’t/political/judicial system for most of my life.

Don’t feel like the lone ranger. To use Reagan’s parlance, I “trusted” my government but did not “verify” what was going on in it (nor did I keep watch on other critical institutions, such as the education system) because I was too busy with my own life. I have repented of that mistake!


58 posted on 11/22/2023 9:00:16 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: SuperLuminal

His father made many of the deals…….he pulled all the strings. Joe Jr would have been pushed into the office if he hadn’t been killed during the war.


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59 posted on 11/22/2023 9:03:08 PM PST by Mears
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To: Reverend Wright

imho, after years of preparation i didn’t know about until later in my life, RR did everything he had to do to win that election at that pivotal moment in US history.

i lived it all, as an adult starting in the 70’s, so i’ll have take my own personal experience over whatever you’re relying on. i guess you and i will have to part ways on RR.


60 posted on 11/22/2023 9:06:19 PM PST by dadfly ( )
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