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One thing is for sure, those who felt Terri was abused will not have their minds changed by the results of this autopsy and those who felt the husband did not do anything wrong feel vindicated.
1 posted on 06/18/2005 1:02:30 AM PDT by Former Military Chick
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Neil, you've lost your everloving mind.


2 posted on 06/18/2005 1:10:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Quality of Life': another name for the slippery slope into barbarism...)
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Look .. I understand the emotionalism behind this. I understand that tens of thousands of Americans who have invested themselves so heavily in the anti-choice movement placed the cause of Terri Schiavo at the center of their universe.

Mr. Boortz's choice of words tells me more about him than I knew previously.

3 posted on 06/18/2005 1:12:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Quality of Life': another name for the slippery slope into barbarism...)
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They now understand that allowing her body to continue the process of dying was the humane and right thing to do.

Neil Boortz sounds just like George Felos.

Who'da thunk it.

If Neil treated his dog the way they treated Terri Schiavo, he'd do some hard time.

4 posted on 06/18/2005 1:15:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Quality of Life': another name for the slippery slope into barbarism...)
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Boortz accuses Terri's supporters of jumping to all sorts of conclusions, then turns around and does the very same thing himself. For Boortz to pretend to know Terri's precise mental state would be laughable if it wasn't so disgusting. He is only trying to rationalize his zeal for having Terri put to death. There is NOTHING in the autopsy that shows Terri deserved to be murdered. In times of doubt, we should err on the side of life. What is so difficult about that? If Terri truly was "gone" already and had absolutely no awareness of her existence, then what harm was done by allowing her to live? Even an old, tired dog isn't put to sleep if someone wants to take it home and care for it. In the abscence of evidence that proved she wouldn't have wanted to live in her condition, her parents should have been allowed to care for her. This was a needless, senseless killing any way you look at it.


5 posted on 06/18/2005 1:23:23 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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"You find out that Terri Schiavo's brain was reduced to half its normal size. She had no cognitive abilities. She was not aware of her own existence."

"It's tough to admit that you were wrong. Been there many times."

Including this time, Booratz. It's good to see some things never change. I directly challenge any forensic medical credentials you delude yourself into thinking you possess. Be half a man and sign up today to refute me, you Know-Nothing coward.

Girl With Half A Brain Going To College

BRISTOL, Pa. [June 2, 2005] -- A teenage girl has overcome incredible odds after graduating from a Pennsylvania high school with only half a brain...she didn't just have part of her brain removed -- as in ordinary epilepsy surgery -- she literally had half of her brain taken out.

Christina graduated from high school with honors in June.

"I'm seizure free. No medication or anything. I drive, I'm going to college in August and I'm very happy," Christina said. "I'm just so thankful for having a second chance at life."


8 posted on 06/18/2005 1:39:54 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Supporting an FR moratorium on the return of McCainiacs to this forum until 1-1-08.)
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Yeah, mikey was only trying to lovingly honor his wife's wish (that he claims they discussed once with no written proof) to not live like a vegetable (after 15 years of adapting to life like a vegetable), plus, apparently, also her wishes

Yeah, good ole mikey just wanted to honor his wife's wishes.

9 posted on 06/18/2005 1:43:06 AM PDT by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (...And on the 666th day, satan created the demonrat party.)
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Sorry, Neal, how serious Terri's impairment was had nothing to do with it. I was whether anyone, including Terri herself, had the right to kill (by torture) anyone based on the killer's assessment of the quality or amount of life of the victim. Those unable to understand this concept obviously have no quality of life. Nuff' said?
11 posted on 06/18/2005 1:51:23 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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The report says "Much discussion took place in the media concerning why the decedent had not undergone an MRI scan of her brain, rather than only a brain CT scan while alive. Last month, the Director of the Center for Devices and Radiological Health at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an advisory to healthcare professionals that serious injury or death can occur when patients with implanted neurological stimulators - such as the decedent's implanted thalamic stimulator - undergo MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) procedures".

Well, that was last month; that was not known years ago, and still Terry didn't have an MRI. Why?. Because on May 2005 they were going to discover it wasn't good?. Or because negligence of her husband?.

The report also says that there is no way to know that it's impossible to determine whether or not Terry was minimally conscious or in PVS.


12 posted on 06/18/2005 1:56:19 AM PDT by angelanddevil2
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Boortz divides the human race into two classes: those worthy of life and those unworthy of life.

Based on Boortz's view of things, why did her death have to be such a waste? We could have used her living, useless body for medical experimentation. To save lives.

15 posted on 06/18/2005 2:51:17 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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I used to find Boortz occasionally amusing. No more. For me the judicial murder of Terry Schiavo was a test of society, and Boortz seems to revel in it.


17 posted on 06/18/2005 3:19:07 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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"One thing is for sure, those who felt Terri was abused will not have their minds changed by the results of this autopsy and those who felt the husband did not do anything wrong feel vindicated."

Granted. Then explain how all that brain mass disappeared. She had no leaks in her skull. By all accounts(including Michael's) she was a fine, lively, and vibrant person until the incident that put her in the hospital.. so where did all that brain mass go?

You said "You find out that Terri Schiavo's brain was reduced to half its normal size. She had no cognitive abilities." How did her brain get like that? Yes it will shrink from lack of stimulation... like not providing rehabilitative therapy (as was the case). But the autopsy does not explain how half her brain disappeared. Can you? Yes it will shrink from lack of stimulation but not just one night disappear.

There is no explanations for the incident that put her in the hospice.. and so far everyone says there were no signs of abuse... but no one has explained what happened to put her in her condition. Loss of oxygen can do that.. but no one has explained how that might have happened either.. if that is what it was. The initial exam did not point to that out... Strangulation, or maybe a pillow over the face could explain that.... maybe?

A large amount of my brain has "white matter" from my M.S. of over 15 years and it gets worse, but I am not ready for a hospice and I have my down days, and it does not get better, but I am fully aware I am alive and that you are reading this points to my existence. "She was not aware of her own existence. She didn't even know she was alive, and therefore couldn't know that death was a possibility. She wasn't there" How do you know? How do you know it was always that way? How do you know?

No matter how much the cult members of the death cult that gave us roe V wade thinks this ends it they are wrong. I know there is a segment of the population that believes this proves she DESERVED to die by COURT ORDER.. it doesn't. It only creates more questions.

Like how did a vibrant women suddenly and so far inexplicably pass out and nearly die? No signs of leaky vessels in the brain, heart showed as being in good shape. Hmmm

How does anyone know that she just never had all that much matter up there. Discovery or TLC had a show on a couple of times about functional people who had only a fragment of their brains... was she one of these? This still would not explain why therapy was with held for any reason. She was NOT dead.

Several of her best friends testified that she believed "where there is life there is hope". Too bad Michael was not one of them, huh? Might she have recovered to some degree had she received the correct therapy from the start?

Again, how did a woman who the day before was vibrant and alive suddenly die/pass out/what ever and the ER could find no good reason. Hint of maybe some heart condition but again that was not inconclusive that the heart condition wasn't caused by lack of oxygen. Oh and I believe the autopsy says the heart was in decent shape. Hmmm again.

Too many questions to put this aside for too many people. In fact the Zogby poll done after said (despite what the media and judiciary would have us believe) that MOST Americans disagreed with what went on.

Those who believe too much says it appears Terri might have been murdered, or at least that answers are needed are having less a problem with the autopsy findings. They still want answers. Now those who obviously are glad a COURT ordered removal of the feeding tube and water (not defacto life support!) still struggle to get the rest of us to believe "it was right for her to die" "she had no quality of life... blah blah blah". Again, How do you know? If there is any doubt what would have been the harm in allowing therapy and rehabilitation attempts? What?

Why this attempt to try to force the majority to also think that a court had the right to allow .. on a husband's word (who is shacked up with a woman and making babies since soon Terri had her incident) say Terri did not want to be kept alive and order her food and water taken away? Why the insistence she needed to die? Why not give her to her parents and family care and be allowed to go to a rehabilitation center to get better to live? If that did ot work, fine this would have been over long ago. Why shuttled off quickly to a hospice to die? Why the insistence nothing should be done???

Why not allow the family to assume responsibility???? What could it have hurt??

Those who wanted death want us all to not question any more and just agree death is/was best. Maybe for them, but not for every one. So again the question is why a new push to get the majority to say death was/is best? We are not going to.

If you have some skeleton in your closet that makes you need to have everyone else believe that death is best, get therapy and get over it. Most still have questions and they have that right to seek logical explanations and seek answers to questionable occurrences... remember.. America... formed because people said "WHY" and "ENOUGH we are not taking it any more!"

Look if the death cultists need therapy to get over the rest of us not accepting the whole flimsy thing I advise them not to let Michael Shaivo pick the therapy or hospice for you. And don't get a court involved because they can now ORDER a living person who commits no crime to be killed. But then again maybe that is what is actually desired by you.. in which case have at it.

If you are functional and cognizant when you clearly state you want to die that is your business. Tell one other person you want to be dead and not kept alive. If you fall asleep or get knocked unconscious, or smother in your pillow it is a done deal because that one other person can get a court to order it on your behalf.

But don't dream of waking alive... you might not be allowed to change your mind cause now the other person can say it was your wish to die. Your friends and family will not be able to help you. The one other "witness" and the court seal your fate.

Your friends and family will be bared from offering any assistance because the other person who claims you wanted to die will win in court. After all, now there is case law.

But stop trying to get us all to believe the Terri incident is "best and correct". We don't have to accept a culture of death is best for us too. So stop trying.
18 posted on 06/18/2005 3:22:50 AM PDT by JSteff
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when the Terri Schiavo matter was consuming front pages and broadcast news, wasn't the issue whether or not she was reacting to her parents and watching that balloon floating around her room? She should not be allowed to die, people said, because with rehab she would improve and then her family could take her to malls and birthday parties and such.

A cruel, and surely deliberate, lie. I, for one, believed she'd never get a whit better, and I have no idea if there was so much as a scrap of consciousness there. Neither does the most qualified neurologist on the planet.

The issue is whether we kill handicapped people when they become inconvenient. The ones who can't talk, anyway. We'll have to work at society a while to get to the rest.

19 posted on 06/18/2005 3:23:18 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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No, her rehab was never the issue to me. The issue was "What did Terri want?" There is NO reason to believe she wanted to be dehydrated to death.


29 posted on 06/18/2005 4:09:58 AM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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Neil is basing his judgement on an autospy which was performed by a coroner who refused to allow an observing doctor to be present. The report concluded that Terri was blind? What else was wrong with the autopsy??????


33 posted on 06/18/2005 4:27:28 AM PDT by eeriegeno
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Well Neil until they develop the ability to do an autopsy before someone is dehydrated to death I guess we will just have to what we feel is right based on the evidence we have. That evidence was called into question and Congress only asked for a review of the evidence mostly at the request of their constituents to evaluate and make certain to the best of abilities that a crime wasn't being committed. It's the principle Neil not the result, but why did a healthy young women collapse, no heart attack, no bulimia, no apparent reason for it? You see Neil there are still some questions.


35 posted on 06/18/2005 4:29:20 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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Perhaps he could explain how a healthy young woman suddenly incurs brain injury, without there being any medical/physical trace of a cause (note he mentions that she wasn't 'strangled' but doesn't mention 'suffocated').

People are routinely convicted in this country, based on DNA evidence -- because there is only one chance in [somewhere around .5-10 billion] that matched DNA could come from someone else. Where in medical history is there a similar incident to Terri's, wherein there was not some outside cause? (Answer: there are none - therefore, the likelihood of this being a medical first is far greater than a billion to one)

So, given that Michael was the only 'possible' cause other than a billion-to-one possibility, he should be found guilty (beyond a reasonable doubt) of causing her death.

36 posted on 06/18/2005 4:34:08 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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Schiavo's Life and Death


Published: June 18, 2005
To the Editor:

The New York Times's grotesque and chilling disrespect for the sanctity of life has never been more apparent than in your June 16 editorial "Autopsy on the Schiavo Tragedy."

Terri Schiavo was a deeply loved daughter, wife, sister and friend. The fact that her brain was atrophied or that she was blind or could not have been rehabilitated doesn't change that fact.

While many medical professionals said she was in a persistent vegetative state, still other highly respected neurologists said there was a chance that she was not.

In cases where patients do not have an expressed written directive regarding end-of-life decisions and where the patient's guardian has a conflict of interest, it only makes sense to err on the side of life.

Terri's life and her death remind us all that life is fragile and must be valued.

Despite claims of cynicism and being "agenda-driven," we will continue to strive to protect our most vulnerable citizens. All innocent human life is precious, and government has a duty to protect the weak, the disabled and the vulnerable.

Jeb Bush
Governor
Tallahassee, Fla., June 17, 2005
39 posted on 06/18/2005 5:10:49 AM PDT by OESY
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No abuse? No report needed.

We all witnessed his emotional, psychological and spiritual abuse.

Was placed in a hospice to die. No speech or physical therapy allowed after getting the funds to do just that. Speech therapy would have exposed MS and he knew it.

No open windows, no stimulation, family visitors not allowed only by permission from MS. Just to speed up his wish - "When is the bitch going to die".

No communion, cremated (MS's wish/not Terri's), parents/family not allowed w/her on her last minutes, don't know where she is buried. Controlling people abuse.

Terri had enough of his abuse - she was planning on leaving him according to her best friend and brother.
43 posted on 06/18/2005 5:19:23 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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"Been there many times. You believe something so strongly, only to find out that you were profoundly mistaken."


Uhhhh...is he talking about Kerry voters?


63 posted on 06/18/2005 6:08:08 AM PDT by George Stupidnopolis
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"Correct me if I'm wrong .." - Neil Boortz

You're wrong, Neil.

I don't listen to Boortz anymore. Like many Liberaltarians, he's wrong on moral issues. He's just another selfish Liberal asking for tax cuts and accusing everybody who disagrees with him as only wanting to interfere in his sex life.

79 posted on 06/18/2005 6:49:21 AM PDT by Gritty ("The MSM will imply not voting for Hillary is equivalent to declaring Negroes 3/5 of a human-M Steyn)
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