Posted on 11/08/2005 9:57:00 AM PST by 11th_VA
>>>Not necessarily. If it were my daughter, and her apparent missing and probably murder were so mishandled, I would want George W. Bush personally calling for a boycott by the entire world.>>>
I agree. Why do the people on this board seem more concerned with a welfare mom aborting an unwanted baby, but mock parents who are desperate to have help finding their likely murdered high achieving daughter?
Amen!
my theory of what happened.
A naive little American girl on vacation went off with three strange "boys" for some fun. Partying with at LEAT drinking as a key player. Drugs are probable.
I offer that She either took drugs willingly or was given something to "loosen her up a bit". Maybe even a combination of both. Whichever is really irrelevant to my thoughts.
This girl was in over head regardless. Some GHB, some X, maybe, was given to her, or slipped into her in a drinks
by three horny guys that are ready to score on an american girl. Score they did, all three of them I would say. But there was a catch. Her body said UH UH and she died.
Now I suppose its possible she was saying no, while falling out and coming to and they got scared and killed her to cover their tracks. I think something else is more likely.
I think her body gave in to the things she had taken (willingly or otherwise) and she just died. I do not bet it was a malicious event with death as a goal, I think sexing a little hottie was the goal and death was just the result.
I think Joran took her body out to see in one of his buddies boats and she became sharkfood, never to be found. I offer that he did this as a result of his fathers direction. This is where the fathers statement of no body no charges comes in.
I would bet that if she did die this way, they thought noone would ever believe they were not attempting to abduct and rape her in a premeditative way. Which they were, just death wasn't part of their plan, but there again they thought noone would belive that either. So like many criminal actors do they tried (and succeeded) in covering their tracks.
I think everyone there KNOWS what happened. I think Joran and the kalpo boys know that everyone knows. I think noone can prove anything beyond a MOUNTAIN of circumstantial evidence. This is an example where the bar is set so high that people like OJ, and now joran and the kalpo boys, go scott free even when the circumstantial evidence creates a picture that everyone sees clearly.
Jorans dad told him how to beat the law, and thus the rap for what he and his friends have done. The Dutch do not want this exposed, they fear riots like we see in France today.
Saddest part about this whole thing is that a girl is dead, partly due to her own choices. This is not to assign her undue blame, but to claim she is totally innocent is a bit of a stretch. She put herself in the position for this to happen.
The best that can come of this is for American people to stop taking their kids and their money to foreign shores for graduation celebrations. STAY HERE, enjoy this great nation, spend your money HERE, and feel confident that you are as safe here in this nation as you can be anywhere on the planet.
I feel bad for Natalie's family, I feel bad for her.
Best that can be done now is to learn from that situation and adjust behavior accordingly.
It's good to BE back, believe me!
..If it were my daughter....
I agree! I know some think it's tiresome to have Greta focus on this story almost every night....BUT, that is the ONLY way SOME attention will be given to this case. If it was my child, I would be banging down doors, just like Natalee's Mom is doing. God bless her.
Believe it or not, this place IS sane compared to the last ten days!
Yes. Necessarily.
If it were my daughter, and her apparent missing and probably murder were so mishandled, I would want George W. Bush personally calling for a boycott by the entire world.
Months after the fact?
Since they admitted to raping her your "theory" is stupid.
a girl is dead, partly due to her own choices
Sure, why not blame the VICTIM of MURDER! No matter what the hell she did or didn't do (and knowing her and her family I highly doubt that she willing went anywhere with three grown men by herself) and she certainly didn't deserve to be MURDERED!
Natalee was NOT trash as the Aruban government wants people to think. She was a decent and lovable girl who was looking forward to college. Natalee's family has more evidence than the Aruban government knows they have. They just THINK the family will go away. THEY WILL NOT GO AWAY!
"Months after the fact?"
Had this been done earlier, would no the question be "ALREADY"?
I think natlaies mom ( and others) have waited appropriate amount of time and this is a good pressure tool to use at this time to get some ANSWERS.
I would be doing it if it was my child. So would you.
I would have more sympathy for the parents if they had ever spoken up about their own lack of responsibility in sending their child on such a foolhardy vacation.
They could be speaking out about the inappropriateness of senior booze/sex vacations, about proms where parents rent hotel rooms and buy booze, and pushing the idea to kids that you can have fun at home (or at least in the same state) and you can take that dream vacation to a party island when you are older and wiser.
Everything they have done abrogates their own responsibility, when they could be accomplishing so much in our crazy society by speaking out.
>>>Months after the fact?
You aren't a parent are you? Oh, let me guess you are going to say Yes I am and guess what else. I won't believe you!
Any parent, ANY PARENT wouldn't stop after a few months of their missing child not being found and the apparent murderers going free. Not one worth a damn anyway.
Yes. I still believe in a fair and just judicial system. I would have wanted the investigation to have due process and this does take a certain amount of time.
I would have been wrong to trust the Aruban authorities were really trying to get to the truth of Natalie's disappearance. This case was mishandled from the start, and that is easy to see now.
Without question I would, but I would have been calling for it the second time the Kalpoe's and Van Der Sloot were released by the authorities. Back then it was apparent that the authorities have been bungling this case from the word "go", and this was back when Cindy Sheehan, and 3 hurricanes weren't wiping this story from the front pages.
Transparent to me. Van Der Sloot's father is a big shot judge there. PLUS Aruba relies on tourism. If kids go missing there and it's found they were raped, murdered and fed to the sharks off the northern island, it might quell visits to the place. Bad for business. The Aruban authorities want nothing more than for this to go away. I support the boycott and keeping it in the face of the public as long as possible.
"Send them to Six Flags, or even Disney World, or the State Fair."
LOL! Or maybe a quilting bee. Do they still have taffy pulls? A hay-ride would have been neato. /sarc
They were high-school GRADUATES! Lord knows college towns aren't party towns with booze and sex and surely don't have "seedy bars". What kind of chaperones were they going to have when they left for college in a couple of months?
As the father of two teenaged girls, I would never rest until I found out the truth
"Since they admitted to raping her your "theory" is stupid."
They didnt admit to raping her. They admitted to having sex with her. SAying she was in and out isn't rape if she was wanting a threesome and took drugs on her own.
YOu make a LEAP like you just did and you call ME STUPID?
Best check yourself there!
"Sure, why not blame the VICTIM of MURDER!"
I blame her for going off with three strangers in a foreign country. Not for her muder. Two very different things that you obviously cannot distinguish.
Yeah but IM stupid LMAO OK.
"No matter what the hell she did or didn't do (and knowing her and her family I highly doubt that she willing went anywhere with three grown men by herself) and she certainly didn't deserve to be MURDERED!"
Ok lets eaxmine this statement.... NO MATTER WHAT SHE DID OR DIDN'T DO....HA you remove ALL personal responsibility with that statement....better rethink that one.....
I agree she didn't deserve to be murdered and I never said she did..you make senseless accusations there.
I do not care if you know her or not...she was NOT abducted from INSIDE anywhere...she went off by herself with strangers...this fact you cannot dispute.
"Natalee was NOT trash as the Aruban government wants people to think. She was a decent and lovable girl who was looking forward to college.
Going off with three strangers (OR EVEN ONE) doesn't make you TRASH..it only makes you a poor decision maker. That is all I said and all I assigned blame about.
"She was a decent and lovable girl who was looking forward to college"
At that age MANY are naive about the dangers of the real world MUCH LESS those in a foreign nation. Nothing I have said disputes that statement.
The family should not go away, answers need to come. After this post I hope you are prepared for them when they do.
To absolve natalie of her own actions is to live in OZ.
To claim Natalie was an innocent barbie that made NO MISTAKES in judgment or action is like saying that the kalpo boys and joran are totally innocent and nothing more than ken dolls that made a mistake. BOTH are improper statements to make.
Natalie was in a foreign country BY HERSELF. SHE alone is responsible for that(UNLESS her fiends ditched her on purpose) or ( UNLESS these boys abducted her against her will). Knowing these folks as you say you do, can you provide evidence towards the merit of either of those two?
You can say you DOUBT it all you want to......college girls go off with guys everyday...you think natalie is a lone exception? CMON NOW.
Natalie is most likely dead, and YES that is partly due to her own choices. ( there again, unless you can prove that these boys conspired to kidnap her against her will.....which is something I do not think you can do.)
You are really in la la land. You actually think she took drugs on her own, wanted a threesome with these 3 thugs, and sex was consensual?
You are stuck on stupid.
It seems like, no matter what has happened in the investigation so far, unless this girl's body ever turns up (unlikely) or one of the suspects cracks (even more unlikely), this case will never be resolved.
Furthermore, a boycott and foreign pressure would just give the defense the ability to scream "politically motivated prosecution" in any trial.
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