Barsoom, the Face, Structures on Mars

Our Tiny Little Minds | Past, Present, Future | various

[SunkenCiv]

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter ... and
"The Lost Cities of Barsoom" ....
by Richard C. Hoagland
updated 4/7/06
The Enterprise Mission

Another close-up from the same MRO mosaic (rotated 50 degrees, clockwise -- below) demonstrates that not all "quasi-circular features" on Mars are simple "impact craters."

This remarkably preserved example exhibits organized, interior geometric detail characteristic of a massive, designed building ... surrounded by six, geometrically aligned, surviving elevated "walls" -- minus a possible roof! The massive former structure is attended by an array of additional, still partially-buried rectilinear features just outside.

NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to:

[SunkenCiv]

An example caption from some images on the page is, "Comparison Between Known Ruins in the Deserts of Iran ... and Eerily Similar Structures Underneath the Deserts of Mars".

And the photo from Mars shows an unremarkably natural impact crater.

[SunkenCiv]

oops, "NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to:" was some leftover text I forgot to delete from the template I pulled into the edit window.

[SunkenCiv]

This is the only one that from that page that looked at all artificial, but it isn't.

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"Partially Exhumed Martian City"

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[SunkenCiv]

The Mars Happy Face
Space.com | 4/10/06 | Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 04/10/2006 2:55:30 PM EDT by nuke rocketeer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1612544/posts

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

Edgar Rice Burroughs, Barsoom series was a favorite series of mine when I was young.
I found them at Blackmask.com as free ebooks and reread them.
It seems like Blackmask has been done for a week or more.

[SunkenCiv]

New Mars Cydonia image released
NASA | 4-16-05 | Orlando
Posted on 04/16/2005 10:54:12 AM EDT by Orlando
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1384969/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Captain's Blog:
Space News and
General Commentary
by Richard C. Hoagland
Tuesday, October 18, 2005

Somebody Tried to Kill Hurricane Wilma ... BEFORE She was Born! -- UPDATED 4:50 AM October 19th -- With apologies for my unfortunate absence from this forum in recent days, for weeks now we have been presenting (in previous "Captain's Blogs") increasingly extraordinary images, archived radar data and expert testimony, all supporting the (to some) equally extraordinary new reality:

That, despite what experts tell us, the technlogy currently exists to actually control the weather -- and specifically, nature's most destructive type of storm: the hurricane itself.

And that "someone" has been using this technology this summer "in an undeclared, all-out 'weather war' against the United States" ... with (after Katrina) disasterous results ....

[SunkenCiv]

another online archive:

http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/B/BurroughsEdgarRice/index.html

[SunkenCiv]

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[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

Thank you very much. I saved it. Another site is the below URL.

http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/title.html

[SunkenCiv]

however, an interesting link.

weather modification:
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks!

[SunkenCiv]

face on mars site:freerepublic.com

Google

[techcor]

So it's the face on the Barsoom floor?

[12th_Monkey]

I love a good Mars story. This goes right along with structures on the moon. It's a good "story" but that is all. I will believe it when the Mars Rovers drive down main street and pull into a Wal Mart.

[SunkenCiv]

barely any relation to this, just that "Face on Mars" is mentioned. Fascinating and amusing topic from 2004:

Pioneer [gravitational] anomaly put to the test
Physics World | September 2004 | Slava Turyshev and John Anderson
Posted on 09/27/2004 2:38:32 PM EDT by PatrickHenry
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1228396/posts

[SunkenCiv]

I think the Mars Rovers are already out of the playoffs.

[SunkenCiv]

:') Different part of Mars. Just when we all had a reasonable expectation that the indefensible "Face on Mars" crap would come to an end due to better camera resolution, more stuff to be misinterpreted and twisted to purposes shows up for the very same reason. ;')

[SunkenCiv]

found using the Google search above:

Sedimentary rocks on Mars may suggest an ancient land of lakes
Source: Science Magazine
Published: 8 December 2000 Author: Michael C. Malin and Kenneth S. Edgett
Posted on 12/05/2000 07:52:21 PST by Fitzcarraldo
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a2d0f3565e3.htm

Arthur C. Clark talks about images from Mars
Source: NASA picture from Mars/click here
Author: JW
Posted on 03/07/2001 17:31:07 PST by jwa3
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3aa6e0db1ff1.htm

Scientific Method Employed By NASA proves
that Skeptic Martin Gardner Has No Eyes, Mouth or Nose!
Government Editorial
Source: http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/face.html
Posted on 05/31/2001 13:17:31 PDT by sirgawain
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b16a6db7b30.htm

Wood found on Mars? Not Photoshoped - off the nasa website.
Nasa.gov
Posted on 12/27/2004 11:38:41 PM EST by Next_Time_NJ
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1309365/posts

Richard C. Hoagland has another finding about Iapetus
(Saturn's Moon)! Aliens might have made it!
Me
Posted on 02/08/2005 2:35:56 AM EST by Simmy2.5
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1338415/posts

sidebar:

Ancient rock "carved faces" found: Sign of lost race, or geological processes?
BBC News/Science | Monday, 20 October, 2003 | Dr David Whitehouse
Posted on 10/20/2003 12:58:38 PM EDT by yankeedame
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1004461/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Arthur C. Clarke Stands By His Belief in Life on Mars
by Leonard David
7 June 2001

Clarke spoke last night, June 6, via phone from his home in Sri Lanka as key speaker in the Wernher von Braun Memorial Lecture series held here at the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum. Pouring over images on his home computer taken by the now-orbiting Mars Global Surveyor (MGS), Clarke said that there are signs of vegetation evident in the photos. Clarke repeated several times that he was serious about his observations, pointing out that he sees something akin to Banyan trees in some MGS photos.

[Jedi Master Pikachu]

There probably isn't life on Mars, and if there is or was, that life would probably have come from the Earth (rather than the hypothesis of life from Mars populating the Earth).

[SunkenCiv]

The Viking Labeled Release Experiment and Life on Mars
by Gilbert V. Levin

Thus, organic compounds surviving this rugged digestion were detected in the soil. They were attributed to kerogen and coal refractory to the GCMS pyrolysis. Biological possibilities were discounted although viable microorganisms have been reported (23) within anthracite coal taken from deep underground. The purpose of the intensive digestion of the Antarctic #726 was not stated. One must wonder what variety of labile organic compounds were present prior to the digestion.

[SunkenCiv]

tahotdog (an ex-FReeper) posted a lot of really great howlers on this thread:

Space Exploration Set For A Renaissance
spacedaily.com | 05/26/05 | Robert Zimmerman
Posted on 05/26/2005 10:23:17 PM EDT by KevinDavis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1411350/posts

This is my favorite of the pictures, which tahotdog found on TVF's MetaResearch site:

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/slide42.jpg

[SunkenCiv]

I just realized that the topic name should have included "Cydonia". Oh well.

[SunkenCiv]

The Hidden Records by Wayne Herschel... face of Mars, Pyramids and Cydonia... the Mystery Star
The Hidden Records | when the last nut crop ripened | Wayne Herschel
Posted on 05/27/2006 10:24:43 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1639547/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Mars North Polar View
Mars Global Surveyor Mars Orbiter Camera | August 29, 2006 | Malin Space Systems
Posted on 08/30/2006 11:27:04 AM EDT by cogitator
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1692569/posts

Red Planet's Ancient Equator Located
Scientific American (online) | April 20, 2005 | Sarah Graham
Posted on 04/24/2005 11:18:25 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1390424/posts

[SunkenCiv]

another dull Thursday.

Fire And Ice: Mars Images Reveal Recent Volcanic And Glacial Activity
(climate change)
ScienceDaily.com | 2005-03-24 | NA
Posted on 01/22/2006 4:37:59 PM EST by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562874/posts
22 posted on 01/23/2006 12:01:12 AM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562874/posts?page=22#22

Spacecraft finds eruptions on Mars
(southern polar ice cap and jets of carbon dioxide gas)
AP on Yahoo | 8/16/06 | AP - Los Angeles
Posted on 08/17/2006 1:53:16 AM EDT by NormsRevenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1685096/posts

Pictures of Faults on Mars
European Space Agency | 12-Feb-2006
Posted on 02/12/2006 6:35:07 AM EST by ckilmer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576936/posts

"Festoons" Add to Martian Mysteries
Posted on 01/19/2006 9:12:34 PM EST by Swordmaker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1561305/posts

Revising Earth's Early History
Carnegie Institution | 2005-12-30 | NA
Posted on 01/01/2006 12:37:38 AM EST by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1550074/posts

Rover nears crater science trove
[on Mars, Opportunity approaches Victoria Crater]
BBC | Sep 7 2006 | unknown
Posted on 09/07/2006 7:49:36 AM EDT by Mike Fieschko
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1696942/posts

Mars North Polar View
Mars Global Surveyor Mars Orbiter Camera | August 29, 2006 | Malin Space Systems
Posted on 08/30/2006 11:27:04 AM EDT by cogitator
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1692569/posts

[SunkenCiv]

four more:

Martian "Blueberries" in the Lab
Thunderbolts Picture of the Day | Mar 25, 2005
Posted on 03/29/2005 12:58:11 AM EST by Swordmaker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1372790/posts

Mystery Object Encountered By Russian Phobos Spacecraft
Final Frontiers | FR Post 3-24-05 | Tom Van Flandern
Posted on 03/26/2005 12:18:52 AM EST by vannrox
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371062/posts

New Mars Cydonia image released
NASA | 4-16-05 | Orlando
Posted on 04/16/2005 10:54:12 AM EDT by Orlando
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1384969/posts

When Dust Storms Engulf Mars
Thunderbolts Picture of the Day | Mar 24, 2005 | Mel Acheson
Posted on 03/29/2005 1:19:07 AM EST by Swordmaker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1372800/posts

[SunkenCiv]

The 'planet finder' [ Geoff Marcy interviewed ]
OC Register | September 2006 | Gary Robbins
Posted on 09/30/2006 3:52:45 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1711328/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Cydonia -- The Face On Mars?

Tuesday, 26 September 2006

After multiple attempts to image the Cydonia region from April 2004 until July 2006 were frustrated by altitude and atmospheric dust and haze, the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on board Mars Express finally obtained, on 22 July, a series of images that show the famous 'face' on Mars in unprecedented detail. The data were gathered during orbit 3253 over the Cydonia region, with a ground resolution of approximately 13.7 metres per pixel. Cydonia lies at approximately 40.75° North and 350.54° East. "These images of the Cydonia region on Mars are truly spectacular," said Dr Agustin Chicarro, ESA Mars Express Project Scientist. "They not only provide a completely fresh and detailed view of an area famous to fans of space myths worldwide, but also provide an impressive close-up over an area of great interest for planetary geologists, and show once more the high capability of the Mars Express camera."

Cydonia is located in the Arabia Terra region on Mars and belongs to the transition zone between the southern highlands and the northern plains of Mars. This transition is characterized by wide, debris-filled valleys and isolated remnant mounds of various shapes and sizes.

'Human face' first seen in 1976

One of these visible remnant massifs became famous as the 'Face on Mars' in an image taken on 25 July 1976 by the American Viking 1 Orbiter.

A few days later, on 31 July 1976, a NASA press release said the formation "resembles a human head." However, NASA scientists had already correctly interpreted the image as an optical illusion caused by the illumination angle of the Sun, the formation's surface morphology and the resulting shadows, giving the impression of eyes, nose and mouth.

Nonetheless, the 'Face on Mars' was the subject of widespread speculation on the possible origins and purpose of artificial structures on the Red Planet, with the face being the most talked-about formation.

The array of nearby structures has been interpreted by some space enthusiasts as artificial landscapes, such as potential pyramids and even a disintegrated city. The idea that the planet might have once been home to intelligent beings has since inspired the imagination of many Mars fans, and has been expressed in numerous, more-or-less serious, newspaper articles as well as in science-fiction literature and on many Web pages.

Despite all this, the formal scientific interpretation has never changed: the face remains a figment of human imagination in a heavily eroded surface.

It took until April 1998, and confirmation with additional data from the Mars Orbiter Camera on NASA's Mars Global Surveyor, before popular speculation waned. More data from the same orbiter in 2001 further confirmed this conclusion.

Significance for planetary geologists

While the formations aren't of alien origin, they are nevertheless of significant interest to planetary geologists.

In areas adjacent to Cydonia, gently sloping areas surrounding hills or reliefs, so-called 'debris aprons,' are frequently found. They form at the foot of such remnant mounds and probably consist of a mixture of rocky debris and ice. In Cydonia itself, such aprons are often missing in smaller massifs. The formation of debris aprons is considered to be controlled by talus formation, a sloping mass of rock debris at the base of a cliff, and landslides.

At the Mars 'face,' such characteristic landslides and an early form of debris apron formation can be seen.

'Skull-shaped' structure appears in some images

On 22 July, the HRSC finally met success during orbit 3253, and a wide area in Cydonia was imaged at the best possible resolution and in 3D.

In fact, in addition to the well-known 'face' and 'pyramids,' a naturally skull-shaped structure also appears in some of the Mars Express images.

As the famous scientist and writer Carl Sagan said: "Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere."

Notes:

The colour scenes were derived from three HRSC-colour channels. The perspective views have been calculated from the digital terrain model derived from the stereo channels.

The 3D anaglyph images (shown in the accompanying article linked at right, above) were derived from the stereo and nadir channels. Image resolution has been decreased for use on the internet.

The HRSC instrument and science team is led by Principal Investigator Prof. Dr Gerhard Neukum. The team consists of 45 co-investigators from 32 institutions and 10 nations.

The systematic processing of the HRSC image data is carried out by the German Aerospace Center (DLR), while the images shown here were processed by the PI group at the Institute for Geosciences, Freie Universitaet (Free University), Berlin, in cooperation with DLR's Institute of Planetary Research, Berlin.

Source: European Space Agency

[Quix]

Will have to look them up.

Loved the series as a youth.

What do I remember . . . oh, yeah, THE HEADLESS MEN OF MARS . . . wherein the heads were different creatures that rode the necks of another creature and functioned . . . as heads . . .

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1633114/posts?page=8#8
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1633114/posts?page=10#10

[Quix]

Thanks thanks.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/B/BurroughsEdgarRice/index.html

Above URL is a good site for free ebooks.

[Quix]

Thanks much. Looks like a good site.

[Fred Nerks]

A laboratory example of an electric arc scar on a clay anode surface is shown on the right. At moderate power, the electric arc rotates (top right) and raises an extensive circular blister, seen clearly in the middle right image. As the power is increased, the arc briefly stops moving and burns a small circular crater, seen as a glowing spot in the top image and at 4 o¹clock in the bottom image. The tendency for the arc to "stick" to one spot on the anode creates localized very high temperatures, sufficient to vaporize some of the anode surface to form smooth circular crater floors and steep terraced walls ­ exactly as seen in the Olympus Mons calderas...

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040705olympus-mons.htm

Truth is stranger than fiction!

[SunkenCiv]

:')

[SunkenCiv]

rather than check, I'm just going to risk reposting this:

Martian Structures: Metaresearch Press Release
Culture/Society Announcement Keywords: MARS STRUCTURES CYDONIA
Source: www.metaresearch.org
Published: 4/4/01 Author: Dr. Tom Van Flandern
Posted on 04/05/2001 05:14:12 PDT by medved
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3acc61941180.htm

[SunkenCiv]

The "Face", from the air, called a 3D animation, from Germany:

Video: Cydonia's 'Face on Mars' in 3D animation (MPEG4, low-res)
http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-112/178_read-799/

Video: Copyright ESA/DLR/FU Berlin (G. Neukum)/MSSS (2.51 MB)
http://www.dlr.de/en/portaldata/1/resources//portal_news/Cydonia.mp4

Main page (also has links to QT version and two res versions in WM):
http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-1/86_read-5191/

[SunkenCiv]

thanks Swordmaker for the following topic and ping:

Face found on Earth ala the Face on Mars... listening to an iPod...
Google Earth | 10/25/2006
Posted on 10/26/2006 3:10:45 AM EDT by Swordmaker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1726090/posts

[SunkenCiv]

just a bump with some links:

IS THIS PIC ‘PROOF' OF PAST LIFE ON MARS?
Source: New York Post
Published: 5/09/01 Author: ADAM MILLER
Posted on 05/09/2001 01:38:23 PDT by kattracks
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3af901ff52e1.htm

The Martian mountain known as 'The Face' gets a makeover
BBC News | 09/21/2006
Posted on 09/22/2006 4:00:26 AM EDT by Republicain
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1706143/posts

Mars Face Makeover: Controversial Formation Observed from New Angles
Space.com | 09/22/06 | Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 09/22/2006 1:30:58 PM EDT by presidio9
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1706436/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Uh-huh...

The Red Planet
Biblenews1.com | 12/21/06 | WestVirginiaRebel
Posted on 12/21/2006 7:18:12 PM EST by WestVirginiaRebel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1757044/posts

[SunkenCiv]

from 2004:

Machinery Found at Spirit Landing Site
- or -
How Are They Going to Get Out of This One?
http://www.enterprisemission.com/spirit.htm

[ - or - when will he change his psych meds? ]

[SunkenCiv]

The Martian mountain known as 'The Face' gets a makeover
BBC News | 09/21/2006
Posted on 09/22/2006 4:00:26 AM EDT by Republicain
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1706143/posts

Cydonia -- The Face On Mars? (new find with high-res camera)
European Space Agency | 9-22-06 | via Science Daily
Posted on 09/22/2006 12:14:03 PM EDT by CapnBarbosa
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1706390/posts

Mars Face Makeover: Controversial Formation Observed from New Angles
Space.com | 09/22/06 | Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 09/22/2006 1:30:58 PM EDT by presidio9
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1706436/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Let's "face" it: The Cydonia Face is not pareidolia
by Tom Van Flandern
Meta Research
September 15, 2006

First, let's see what the real spacecraft image taken on this occasion looked like. (See Figure 4.) It shows the same general appearance as we saw and analyzed in the 2001 MGS spacecraft image..., except for the addition of color... That analysis concluded that the east (right on the page) side of the Face might have had excellent bilateral symmetry but for damage apparently done by an impact that left a crater in the SE corner of the mesa. We conjectured that the impact displaced the mouth feature and that a "melt flow" from the crater covered the east cheek area and flowed northward to partially fill the east eye socket.

The evidence of artificial symmetry might be there, if only there hadn't been an impact.

So, there isn't any evidence of artificial symmetry.

Note: all four graphics on the page are labelled "figure 1", but I linked to the correct one, I believe.

I like to check the Meta Research website every now and then to see what's up. TVF's Meta Research Bulletins will apparently drop from $17 a year (non-members) to zero, electronic version only.

[SunkenCiv]

NWO Deception: Faked Rapture and Project Blue Beam [get your tin foil hats ready]
American Chronicle | May 30, 2007 | Victoria Hardy
Posted on 06/01/2007 4:12:11 PM EDT by Alex Murphy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1843293/posts

[SunkenCiv]

whee!!!

Half A Century Of The German Moon Base
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/German%20Moon%20Base%20Alpha.htm
Posted on 12/01/2007 1:44:16 PM EST by Fennie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1933300/posts

[Smokin' Joe]

I believe they are available at Gutenberg.org

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

Thank you, I have found several free sites that have the EBOOKS of classics out of copyright.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/title.html

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/books/

http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors.html

http://www.classicreader.com/

Above are a few of the free EBOOK sites.
The one from AU has a warning for Americans that some of the books are out of copyright in Australia but not in the USA.