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Huckabee: I can’t compromise on scholarships for illegals because “my soul will not let me”
RomanCatholicBlog ^ | November 30, 2007 | Thomistic

Posted on 12/01/2007 7:22:27 AM PST by Josh Painter

This is not conservatism. Mike Huckabee is a pro-life, pro-family values liberal. He is soft on illegal immigration and he is enthusiastic about passing laws that control the way people live their lives (e.g, laws against smoking, junk food, etc.).

Yes, Huckabee's pro-life, and if he was the best Republican option, I'd hold my nose and vote for him, but he's not the best the Republicans have to offer. He's not the only pro-life candidate, either...

I think Fred Thompson is the most conservative of the viable pro-life candidates. All the others are much more moderate. I'll admit, Thompson isn't as conservative as I'd like, but of the viable candidates, he's the most conservative and he has the most conservative record. He's pro-life and has been endorsed by The National Right to Life Committee.

Fred Thompson does beat Hillary in polls for the general election, and if he is chosen as the candidate, the party will unify behind him (except for the bitter, anti-war hold-outs in the Ron Paul gang, what they'll do is anyone's guess).

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Huck is to the left of George W. Bush. Do conservatives really want an even more compassionate George W. Bush Lite who is weaker on fiscal issues and a nanny stater?
1 posted on 12/01/2007 7:22:29 AM PST by Josh Painter
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To: Josh Painter

I’ve had my fair share of compassionate conservatism. What I’m ready for is some good ole conservative conservatism. Government should promote rugged individualism and self-sufficience. People should get tax breaks for each rung they climb on the ladder to wealth. Those kinds of policies would make this country greater. But instead we get a government that tells folks no need to fend for yourselves, we have a program! I absolutely cringe every time George Bush gives a speech with the words ‘government has a role to play’ in _________ (fill in the blank).


2 posted on 12/01/2007 7:30:36 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Josh Painter

Huckleberry is the republicrats Jimmy Carter.


3 posted on 12/01/2007 7:37:38 AM PST by trickyricky
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To: Josh Painter

Mike makes a much better preacher than he does a politician.


4 posted on 12/01/2007 7:47:39 AM PST by Always Right
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To: trickyricky
Huckleberry is the republicrats Jimmy Carter.

Huckabee is not a Jew-hater.

5 posted on 12/01/2007 7:48:49 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Josh Painter
That which you subsidize, you will get more of. The illegal women will be rushing over the boarder of give birth to education their anchor babies. Huckabee is an idiot on this issue.
6 posted on 12/01/2007 7:53:15 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: bmwcyle
Huckabee is a loon bump.
7 posted on 12/01/2007 7:58:07 AM PST by cgbg (Nada non nyet--nanny amnesty Huckabee.)
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To: cgbg

I don’t think he is a loon. I think he has trouble with tough love. He is thinking of the helplessness of children but he can’t make the hard decisions of it will take to make the illegals go home. They will go home if they have no place to work, live, or get care.


8 posted on 12/01/2007 8:05:00 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: trickyricky

Huckabee makes me sick.


9 posted on 12/01/2007 8:12:04 AM PST by Gipper08 (a real conservative for Congress... Aaronhankins.com)
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To: Josh Painter

Huckster is scarier to me than a Hillary/Paul administration.


10 posted on 12/01/2007 8:16:22 AM PST by matthew fuller (The Huckster cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population.")
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Notice too how Huck fell back on his personal “I came up the hard way” drama once Mitt puts him on the defensive. That’s a pointed way of accusing Romney, the child of privilege, of being out of touch.[Classic left-wing technique.] Between that and his weaselly insistence that illegal alien kids without scholarships are being punished by America instead of by their parents’ decision to come here, you can see why Mitt calls him a liberal.http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/29/video-romney-and-huckabee-clash-over-scholarships-for-illegal-aliens/

Romney made a good point on Glenn Beck. Providing that sort of tuition assistance is simply another incentive to lure people over the border. In other words, you’re not punishing anyone at all but instead rewarding the parents for their wrongdoing. Romney wants to put a stop to the things that attract the illegals to our country. If the free everything stops -- so will the flow.

11 posted on 12/01/2007 8:18:54 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate ( Unite 4 Mitt ----> STOP Huck & Rudy -----> beat Hillary)
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To: Josh Painter

bump


12 posted on 12/01/2007 8:20:28 AM PST by VOA
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To: trickyricky
Huckleberry is the republicrats Jimmy Carter.

IMHO, more like the Republicrat Bill Clinton.
Minus the horn-dog antics (well, at least as far as we know).

Suppossedly, for years, the Clinton Camp has been saying
"Huckabee is going places"...because they know how to spot a
real political slickster.
13 posted on 12/01/2007 8:22:22 AM PST by VOA
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To: Always Right

Don’t be so sure of that. There are many evangelicals who consider Jews to be nonbelievers.


14 posted on 12/01/2007 8:24:53 AM PST by jmyrlefuller (The Associated Press: The most dangerous news organization in America.[TM])
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I’ve had my fair share of compassionate conservatism.

It's sort of sad. It seemed to originate as a term for enlightened,
rational employment of conservative principles.

Now it's DEvolved into a "give away the candy store to make people
like us" plan. Even if you just end up with an empty, bankrupt candy
store and all your "new friends" screaming at you for not delivering
even more freebies.
15 posted on 12/01/2007 8:25:12 AM PST by VOA
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To: jmyrlefuller
Don’t be so sure of that. There are many evangelicals who consider Jews to be nonbelievers.

Well they are. But they are also God's chosen people. They are wondering around the mountain again waiting for a Messiah who has already come. Christians don't hate Jews, unless you are confused like Jimmy.

16 posted on 12/01/2007 8:29:42 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

“Huckabee is not a Jew-hater.”

No. Huckabee just hates Freedom and self government.


17 posted on 12/01/2007 8:38:45 AM PST by Gipper08 (a real conservative for Congress... Aaronhankins.com)
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To: Josh Painter
"During the legislation session, Huckabee criticized an immigration bill by Republican senators Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life. Senate Bill 206, which died in the Senate, would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote."

Huckabee promotes 'open door' policy at LULAC convention

Thursday, Jun 30, 2005

By Wesley Brown

Arkansas News Bureau

LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life.

"I would hope that no matter who we are, or where we are from, that America should always be a place that opens its arms, opens it heart, opens its spirit to people who come because they want the best for their families ...," Huckabee said as the largely Hispanic audience gave him a standing ovation.

Huckabee was the keynote speaker, along with Tyson Foods Inc. Chairman and CEO John Tyson, at a noon luncheon of the League of United Latin American Citizens, which is holding its 76th annual convention in Little Rock.

About 10,000 political, community and business leaders, along with exhibitors and speakers are in Little Rock attending the convention at the Statehouse Convention Center. The convention started Monday and runs through Saturday.

Although he never actually talked about the U.S. or Arkansas immigration policy, Huckabee made it very clear where he stood on the issue. In his opening remarks, he said the nation will need to address the concerns of the Hispanic community because of its growing influence and population base.

"Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority," Huckabee said jokingly as the crowd roared in laughter.

He told the LULAC delegates that their presence in the state's capital city was very important because Arkansas has one of the fastest growing Hispanic populations in the nation. "Your gathering is so very significant for our state," Huckabee said. "We are delighted to have you."

Despite several light moments, Huckabee did not stray away from several controversial issues that made him a target of criticism during the recently ended 85th General Assembly. He said Arkansas needs to make the transition from a traditional Southern state to one that recognizes and cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population."

"This is an issue that is going to require extraordinary efforts on both sides of the border, particularly those coming from Mexico," Huckabee said of verifying the status of illegal aliens. "But I am confident that our government will recognize that we should accommodate people who wish to provide the best opportunities for their families (and) employers so that we can make sure our economy has the necessary work force."

During the legislation session, Huckabee criticized an immigration bill by Republican senators Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life. Senate Bill 206, which died in the Senate, would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and also force state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally. Holt, R-Springdale, replied later to Huckabee's comments that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking.

18 posted on 12/01/2007 8:40:07 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Always Right
Huckabee is not a Jew-hater.

No he's more into the robbing from American kids and giving it to illegals.

19 posted on 12/01/2007 8:43:10 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Josh Painter

Huck makes no sense at all. It is one thing to give an illegal child a basic education (which I believe the Supreme Court has already mandated). It is quite another to demand that taxpayers provide college education. And why help only with college when they leave HS? Why not demand that taxpayers subsidize those who want to start businesses rather than continue in academia? It’s the same rationale—to be able to earn a better living. If you start providing college ed, it is only a matter of time before all manner of post-HS benefits will be demanded on the same basis.

Huck’s a nice guy. But we have brighter bulbs in the chandelier, who not incidentally, have no desire to function as National Nanny.


20 posted on 12/01/2007 8:43:37 AM PST by freespirited (I'm voting for the GOP nominee.)
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To: VOA
""Huckabee is going places"...because they know how to spot a real political slickster."

It takes one to know one, right?
Huckleberry on lead guitar, Slick Willy on sax, Monica on flute, oops sorry.

21 posted on 12/01/2007 8:46:59 AM PST by trickyricky
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To: Josh Painter
His soul doesn't have a say-so. It's his conscience that won't let him.

Now, why would any man develop a conscience that thinks it's okay to take money from industrious and hardworking people to hand it over to interlopers and law-breakers?

If he would just sell his soul for a pair...

-Joan

22 posted on 12/01/2007 8:51:42 AM PST by JoanVarga ("¿Por qué no te callas?")
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To: Josh Painter
I'd much prefer Huckabee over RINOs Giuliani or Romney. At least, he is geniunely socially conservative and comes off as far more honest. I would tend to believe he would be like Bush in that he would follow through on his campaign promises and he has strongly supported tax reform, promised not to raise taxes and indicated he would security the borders.

That being stated, I much prefer Fred Thompson. It's time to abandon RINOs and get behind Fred if we are to have a nominee that doesn't have liberal tenancies.

23 posted on 12/01/2007 9:04:01 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Josh Painter
Whether it be Giuliani, Romney or Huckabee, the last thing America needs is another big government Republican. We don’t need more social liberalism.

Fred Thompson is the only candidate talking seriously about reforming government spending policies and coming to grips with the ongoing expansion of federal entitlement programs. Fred`s a fiscal conservative who has offered detailed proposals to meet the challenges of big government head on.

24 posted on 12/01/2007 9:42:01 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: jmyrlefuller

Well, they are non-believers in Christ. Now it is true that they’re practicing the only faith other than Christianity authored by God, but note that Jesus didn’t hold back from giving the Scribes and Pharisees a good dressing down when they needed it.


25 posted on 12/01/2007 11:15:02 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Josh Painter

What a Huckster! Gag alert. Having somebody like him running is embarassing.


26 posted on 12/01/2007 11:19:38 AM PST by Jane Austen
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To: Ol' Sparky
I'd much prefer Huckabee over RINOs Giuliani or Romney.

So you have no problem with Huckabee being pro-illegal alien.

The only thing Huck is conservative on are guns, gays and abortion, but so is Romney.

Romney is much better on immigration and on controling spending. He actually managed to cut billions from the state budget in liberal Massachusetts.

Huckabee's record as governor on fiscal issues is to the left of Bill Clinton's.

At least, he is geniunely socially conservative and comes off as far more honest.

No politician is completely genunine about anything. I don't know about you, but I care less about what's in a politicians heart than what he will actually do when he's in office. Even if you don't believe Romney's pro-life conversion is genuine (and I do believe it), there is no way he could get away with changing his position again. It would be political suicide for him.

And his record in MA shows very clearly that when it comes to actions that have real policy implications, he has consistently been pro-marriage and pro-life.

I would tend to believe he would be like Bush in that he would follow through on his campaign promises and he has strongly supported tax reform,

Yeah, but a man who can't understand why it's a bad idea to subsidize tuition for illegal aliens can't be trusted to cut spending. And in the long run, tax cuts without spending cuts are unsustainable.

27 posted on 12/01/2007 1:10:29 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
So you have no problem with Huckabee being pro-illegal alien.

Apparently, you can't read because I didn't say that. I stated that Giuliani, Romney and Huckabee are all equally bad on the issue, But, that Huckabee, at least, is a social conservative and comes off as honest. I trust Huckabee to keep his campaign promises while I don't trust Romney or Giuliani to.

If you're comment on what I write, then don't misrepresent what my beliefs.

28 posted on 12/01/2007 1:36:40 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Josh Painter
Most of those who have bought into the Huckabee craze do not know that much about him. The illegal immigration issue is at or near the very top of the list of importance in this election and his record and his stand on this, despite some recent comments carefully spun to try to make them more palatable, are going to be a deal breaker with the American people.
29 posted on 12/01/2007 1:42:33 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Fred D. Thompson / Consistent Conservative...The One with Gravitas)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Apparently, you can't read because I didn't say that. I stated that Giuliani, Romney and Huckabee are all equally bad on the issue,

Not true. Huckabee and Giuliani are equally bad, but Romney is a solid conservative on this issue.

Who was it who vetoed in-state tuition for illegals? Who authorized MA state police to enforce immigration laws? Who wants to deny federal funds to sanctuary cities? Who staunchly opposes any path to citizenship for illegals?

But, that Huckabee, at least, is a social conservative and comes off as honest.

He's no more a social conservative than Romney.

As to honesty, name a single campaign promise Romney failed to keep. When Mitt makes a promise, he keeps it.

If that's not honesty, I don't know what is.

30 posted on 12/01/2007 2:06:47 PM PST by curiosity
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To: freespirited
Huck's a nice guy

Any guy who wants to take my cigars away from me "for the common good" and wants me to pay for illegal immigrants and the children of illegral immigrants is not a "nice guy".

He is big big trouble--and the fact that anyone with those views would be a serious candidate for the Republican nomination for President of the United States scares the cr*p out of me.

Many here may not remember, but it was the liberal party line back in the 30s and 40s that Joseph Stalin was a "nice guy"--they called him "Uncle Joe" and showed pictures of him hugging little kids.
31 posted on 12/01/2007 2:07:00 PM PST by cgbg (Nada non nyet--nanny amnesty Huckabee.)
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To: Josh Painter
Lot of politicians came down on the wrong side in the illegal alien debates because they actually feel being sent to Mexico is some sort of punishment.

On a world-scale, of course, it's not. Most of the world is far worse than a Mexican pigsty and the majority of people would feel privileged to be allowed to live there ~

Huckabee, "W", Giuliani, etc. aren't so "liberal" on the issue as they are "ignorant".

The Democrats, though, are simply evil when it comes to illegal aliens. They want to keep those poor people in this country to use as some sort of slave class for an indefinite period.

32 posted on 12/01/2007 2:08:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Route66
Most of those who have bought into the Huckabee craze do not know that much about him. The illegal immigration issue is at or near the very top of the list of importance in this election

That's true nationally, but it may not be true in Iowa. I hope it is; then Romney can take the Huckster down by pounding away on the issue.

But I'm worried that may not be enough to take out the socialist.

33 posted on 12/01/2007 2:09:12 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Still Thinking; jmyrlefuller

Lots of people don’t have the slightest idea what real Evangelicals think about what Jews might believe.


34 posted on 12/01/2007 2:10:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Route66

I recognize that illegal immigration is a huge issue to most on this board, but it’s not critical for me. I want a candidate who at minimum will prosecute the war against the Islamofascist terrorists, will appoint the most originalist pro-life Justices possible to vacancies on the Supreme Court of the United States, and will limit entitlements and spending thereupon as much as politically possible. Those criteria rule out any Democrats, Ron Paul, and Rudolph Giuliani. Romney’s recent pro-life conversion and health care boondoggle in Massachusetts lead me to search for other candidates. John McCain isn’t a serious candidate given his collapse in the polls to sixth behind Ron Paul and probably stands the least chance to win.

I’ve parked in Huckabee’s camp long before he was popular primarily because he possesses the executive experience that the other candidates lack. Huckabee is admittedly disturbingly weak on fiscal issues. We unfortunately lack a large repertoire of successful strong conservative governors, and some like Mark Sanford (South Carolina) declined to run. Fred Thompson seems solid but relatively unaccomplished.


35 posted on 12/01/2007 2:45:01 PM PST by dufekin (Name the leader of our enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, terrorist dictator)
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To: Josh Painter

This philosophy is the ESSENCE of George W. Bush-Compassionate Conservatism! We are in deep shit if this wins in November. Our country cannot stand another four or eight years of unfettered illegal immigration. We will be TOTALLY overrun! This must be stopped!


36 posted on 12/01/2007 5:09:27 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (McCain? Giuliani? Huckabee? Mitt? All UNACCEPTABLE on Illegal Immigration as Sellouts or Newcomers)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
We will fall internally without the Muslims ever having had to make enormous terrorist actions against us.

A nation being attacked from external armies is not the only way nation's have fallen.

37 posted on 12/01/2007 5:11:04 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (McCain? Giuliani? Huckabee? Mitt? All UNACCEPTABLE on Illegal Immigration as Sellouts or Newcomers)
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To: Josh Painter
Huckabee: I can’t compromise on scholarships for illegals because “my soul will not let me”

Funny. His soul was perfectly fine with cutting that same scholarship out for an entire class after 9-11, and then banning them from reapplying when the scholarship was reinstated.

I can understand the 9-11 budget cuts. What makes me furious is not letting us - native born citizens - apply, but saying it's perfectly fine for illegals to recieve the very same scholie. I'd love to hear someone in the media ask him about it.

Huck is a fraud. That's coming from an Arkansan.
38 posted on 12/01/2007 5:22:56 PM PST by Uncle Ivan (FredOn: Apply Directly to the White House)
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To: Josh Painter

Mix one part Jimmy Carter, one part Bill Clinton, one part Vincente Fox, one part “compassionate conservative”, one part Gomer Pyle and one part televangelist, mix well and you have Mike “Open Borders for Jesus” Huckabee!!


39 posted on 12/01/2007 5:58:21 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Mike “Open Borders for Jesus” Huckabee facts:

Mike Huckabee disses Americans, Mexicans, promotes illegal immigration: http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/005609.html

Christians Need To Beware Of Mike Huckabee:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071102.html

While Gov. of Arkansas, Huckabee was AGAINST proving citizenship in order to register to vote. He called those who were in favor of this “racists”...
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_lz1e18perkins.html

Huckabee fought hard to kill an Arkansas bill which would have cut off social services for illegal aliens. Huckabee called the bill, “anti-Christian” and “un-American”...
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html

Huckabee supported in-state tuition for illegal aliens...
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/03/11/News/318458.html

Huckabee’s opposition to the illegal aliens bill:
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000718.html


40 posted on 12/01/2007 8:56:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“This philosophy is the ESSENCE of George W. Bush-Compassionate Conservatism! We are in deep shit if this wins in November. Our country cannot stand another four or eight years of unfettered illegal immigration. We will be TOTALLY overrun! This must be stopped!”

BTTT


41 posted on 12/01/2007 9:58:43 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: trickyricky

“Huckleberry is the republicrats Jimmy Carter.”

We have a winner!!!!


42 posted on 12/01/2007 10:01:02 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


43 posted on 12/02/2007 11:12:16 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Josh Painter
Huckabee must have had a few too many when he made that statement. What a clown - not presidential and it is difficult to have any respect for him. He appears even to the left of Rudy in fiscal matters.
44 posted on 12/02/2007 11:18:30 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Always Right
Mike makes a much better preacher than he does a politician.

A lot of folks over at GodTube.com are fooled by his phony piety. You would think one liar from Hope, AR would have been enough for them.

45 posted on 12/02/2007 2:37:26 PM PST by montag813
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To: Always Right
Huckabee is not a Jew-hater.

Well now, that's something to shout about. He just HATES AMERICANS!!

NO thanks! I don't want another Mexican President. elPresidente Boosh was one too many!

46 posted on 12/02/2007 5:15:02 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: gubamyster; Josh Painter

Thanks for the ping, gubamyster. Thanks for the post, Josh.

Getting up to speed on Mike Huckabee. Thanks to all contributors to this thread.


47 posted on 12/02/2007 6:41:11 PM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt

I agree, I’ve been going through alot of the info here on Huckabee (pro and con) mainly because quite a few of my younger friends have been talking him up lately.
I have been forwarding them alot of these articles in hopes that I can change their minds and tell them to do some of their own digging on this guy and not rely on the ABC, NBC, and CBS’s of the world.


48 posted on 12/02/2007 6:56:43 PM PST by FlashBack (www.proudpatriots.org/www.woundedwarriorproject.org/www.moveamericaforward.org)
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To: FlashBack

Same here. Now that the primaries are getting closer several folks I know and respect are saying they like Mike. I figured I better get up to speed on him before I comment.


49 posted on 12/02/2007 7:01:34 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Eric Blair 2084; flashbunny; NeoCaveman; SoConPubbie; Esther Ruth; pissant; pandoraou812; ...
This ping is brought to you by the Huckster's:


50 posted on 12/03/2007 5:54:36 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE true conservative candidate.)
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